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#31948 - 05/30/04 02:38 PM Re: The MB 229.5 specs!
Toyota18 Offline


Registered: 02/24/04
Posts: 213
Loc: Sydney
MB 229.5 recommendation.

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#31949 - 05/30/04 02:53 PM Re: The MB 229.5 specs!
Toyota18 Offline


Registered: 02/24/04
Posts: 213
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#31950 - 05/30/04 05:37 PM Re: The MB 229.5 specs!
Eddie Offline


Registered: 12/07/03
Posts: 6768
Loc: Florida, Cape Coral
I happen to use Mobil 1 that meets the most stringent OEM spec in the world? Why would I use a considerably more expensive, hard to find oil if the manufacture can't afford to get their oil certified or is it that they don't want to and hope that the PR guys can talk a good line? I don't like to play shell games with my engines. Marketing and pr guys can tell you anything but, in the real world I just look at the data ie spects as usefull.

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#31951 - 05/30/04 05:55 PM Re: The MB 229.5 specs!
therion Offline


Registered: 01/18/04
Posts: 404
Loc: Palatine, IL
quote:
Originally posted by TooSlick:
The only Amsoil formulation that currently meets the MB 229.5 spec is their new 5w-40/"AFL", European Formula.

The Amsoil 0w-30/5w-30/10w-30 do meet the older MB 229.3 spec and their Series 3000, 5w-30 and 10w-40 meet the MB 229.1 specification.

The next time Amsoil reformulates, I'd expect most of their gas engine formulations will use an MB 229.5 additive chemistry ....

Tooslick
www.lubedealer.com/Dixie_Synthetics

So would the Series 3000 5W-30 be a bad choice for a modern mercedes benz 2.7Liter I5 Turbodiesel? [I dont know]

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#31952 - 05/30/04 07:26 PM Re: The MB 229.5 specs!
Ray H Offline


Registered: 01/16/03
Posts: 4478
Loc: Southern California
quote:
Originally posted by Eddie:
I happen to use Mobil 1 that meets the most stringent OEM spec in the world? Why would I use a considerably more expensive, hard to find oil if the manufacture can't afford to get their oil certified or is it that they don't want to and hope that the PR guys can talk a good line? I don't like to play shell games with my engines. Marketing and pr guys can tell you anything but, in the real world I just look at the data ie spects as usefull.

Absolutely! I'm continually amazed at the cavalier attitude of paying $30,000+ (and usually considerably more) for a car arguably considered at the pinnacle of current engineering practices and then playing motor oil "spin-the-bottle" even though the manufacturer has undertaken at considerable expense to codify what protects best.

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#31953 - 05/30/04 07:35 PM Re: The MB 229.5 specs!
glxpassat Offline


Registered: 02/08/04
Posts: 1075
Loc: Huntsville, AL
I would love to know how this spec differs from the MB 229.3 spec! Maybe they sacrificed wear requirments for gas milage requirments.

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#31954 - 05/30/04 07:51 PM Re: The MB 229.5 specs!
yannis Offline


Registered: 05/24/03
Posts: 785
Loc: Greece
quote:
Originally posted by glxpassat:
I would love to know how this spec differs from the MB 229.3 spec! Maybe they sacrificed wear requirments for gas milage requirments.

if you click and download the pdf file in G-Man II's first post in the upper page we ll find the spec's of almost all the german makers and their requirements.

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#31955 - 05/31/04 09:59 AM Re: The MB 229.5 specs!
glxpassat Offline


Registered: 02/08/04
Posts: 1075
Loc: Huntsville, AL
Thanks Yannis! I took a look and what I suspected is right!

Cam wear for the 229.3 spec is 3.0 max (not sure of the units) and it is 5.0 max for the 229.5 spec.

The fuel economy is 1.0% min for the 229.3 spec and 1.8% min for the 229.5 spec.

Therefore, I want to avoid any oil that will meet the MB 229.5 specs!!

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#31956 - 05/30/04 10:06 PM Re: The MB 229.5 specs!
G-MAN Offline


Registered: 11/15/02
Posts: 8869
Loc: SC
quote:
Originally posted by glxpassat:
Cam wear for the 229.3 spec is 3.0 max (not sure of the units) and it is 5.0 max for the 229.5 spec.

Yes, but this spec is for a service life that is roughly 30% longer than 229.3.

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#31957 - 05/30/04 10:14 PM Re: The MB 229.5 specs!
glxpassat Offline


Registered: 02/08/04
Posts: 1075
Loc: Huntsville, AL
Right, but the wear maximum was increased 66.6%!

[ May 31, 2004, 01:37 PM: Message edited by: glxpassat ]

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#31958 - 05/30/04 10:24 PM Re: The MB 229.5 specs!
glxpassat Offline


Registered: 02/08/04
Posts: 1075
Loc: Huntsville, AL
Also, the new Castrol SLX Longtec has been formulated to meet the 229.5 spec.

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#31959 - 05/31/04 01:05 AM Re: The MB 229.5 specs!
Gary Allan Offline


Registered: 09/28/02
Posts: 39806
Loc: Pottstown, PA
quote:
Originally posted by Eddie:
I happen to use Mobil 1 that meets the most stringent OEM spec in the world? Why would I use a considerably more expensive, hard to find oil if the manufacture can't afford to get their oil certified or is it that they don't want to and hope that the PR guys can talk a good line? I don't like to play shell games with my engines. Marketing and pr guys can tell you anything but, in the real world I just look at the data ie spects as usefull.

Absolutely! I'm continually amazed at the cavalier attitude of paying $30,000+ (and usually considerably more) for a car arguably considered at the pinnacle of current engineering practices and then playing motor oil "spin-the-bottle" even though the manufacturer has undertaken at considerable expense to codify what protects best.

quote:
Originally posted by glxpassat:
I would love to know how this spec differs from the MB 229.3 spec! Maybe they sacrificed wear requirments for gas milage requirments.

if you click and download the pdf file in G-Man II's first post in the upper page we ll find the spec's of almost all the german makers and their requirements.
quote:

Thanks Yannis! I took a look and what I suspected is right!

Cam wear for the 229.3 spec is 3.0 max (not sure of the units) and it is 5.0 max for the 229.5 spec.

The fuel economy is 1.0% min for the 229.3 spec and 1.8% min for the 229.5 spec.

Therefore, I want to avoid any oil that will meet the MB 229.5 specs!!
quote:

Yes, but this spec is for a service life that is roughly 30% longer than 229.3.
quote:

Right, but the wear maximum was increased 66.6%!
The above exchange says it all. Now those of you who are "really" in touch with your "true" selves know full well that you'll never go the distance on a manufacturers' recommended OCI. Only (I would estimate) about 10% of you do now. Somehow the majority, and for no good apparent reason, "reason" that you all have mostly severe duty circumstances. In reality most of you 'exceed the need' when it comes to these matters. Me? Guilty [Eek!]

So why in the world would you care if the oil meets this 229.5 spec ....when you'll not even challenge 229.3 spec conditions??

This spec is an "energy policy" not a lubrication standard (per se') where OCI and fuel economy are KING. As you can see ..it is at a sacrifice of wear....

...and that's counter to what all of us here are doing here.

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#31960 - 11/08/04 07:51 PM Re: The MB 229.5 specs!
Hirev Offline


Registered: 01/18/03
Posts: 1198
Loc: Oregon
quote:
Originally posted by glxpassat:
Thanks Yannis! I took a look and what I suspected is right!

Therefore, I want to avoid any oil that will meet the MB 229.5 specs!!

Humm Some oils meet both 229.3 and 229.5 Mobil ow 40 for example.

MB sheet 229.5 approved oils; "MB Longlife Service Oils"
for passenger cars with gas and diesel engines with extended drain intervals beyond 229.3 oils, to 30,000 km, min 1.8% fuel saving, first oils introduced summer 2002. For gas engines of the M100 series, gas engines of the M200 series and diesel engines of the OM600 series (not models with Euro 4 diesel particle filters).
229.5 engine oils must be used with fleece oil filter designed for use with 229.5 engine oils.

AGIP Formula LL DC 5W-30 (I)
Amsoil Synthetic 5W-40 European Engine Oil (USA)
Aral SuperTronic M 5W-30 (D)
Castrol DCO TOPUP 0W-30 (D)
Elf Excellium 229.5 5W-30 (F)
FormulaShell Ultra AB 5W-30 (GB)
Fuchs Titan Supersyn SL MB 5W-30 (D)
Labo MB 229.5 5W-30 (F)
Liqui Moly Longtime High Tech 5W-30 (D)
Mobil 1 SuperSyn European Car Formula 0W-40 / Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel 0W-40 (USA)
Mobil SHC Formula MB 5W-30 (USA)
Motorex Profil M-XL 5W-30 (CH)
OMV full syn MB 5W-30 (A)
Pennzoil European Formula Ultra 5W-30 (USA)
Premium Synthetik Motorenöl 5W-30 (DaimlerChrysler, D)
Quaker State European Formula Ultra 5W-30 (USA)
Shell Helix Ultra AB 5W-30 (Mercedes-Benz) (GB)
Shell Helix Ultra DC 229.5 (GB)
Total Quartz 229.5 5W-30 (F)
Valvoline SynPower MB 5W-30 (NL)

MB sheet 229.3 approved oils
for passenger cars with gas and diesel engines with extended drain interval indicator FSS up to 20,000 km, or 40,000 km - 25,000 mi, min. 1.0% fuel saving compared to 229.1, based on ACEA A3 B3. For gas engine of the M100 series, gas engines of the M200 series and diesel engines of the OM600 series (not models with Euro 4 diesel particle filters).

AGIP EXTRA HTS 5W-40
AGIP Synthetic PC 0W-40
AGIP Eurosport 0W-40
Amsoil 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
Amsoil 10W-30 Synthetic
Amsoil Series 3000 5W-30 Heavy Duty Diesel
Aral HighTronic 5W-40
Aral SuperSynth 0W-40
Aral Super Tronic 0W-40
Aviasynth 0W-40
Castrol DCO TOPUP SAE 0W-30
Castrol Formula RS Road and Track 5W-40
Castrol GTX7 DYNATEC 5W-40
Castrol Formula SLX 0W-30
Castrol TXT SOFTEC PLUS 5W-30
CIFAB Synthoil Hydrocrack HC7 5W-40
Elf Excellium LDX SAE 5W-40
Esso Ultron 0W-30 (fuel economy)
Esso Ultron 5W-40
Fuchs Silkolene Pro S 5W-40 - 100% Synthetic Oil For All Race Engines
Fuchs Silkolene Pro S 10W-50 - 100% Synthetic Oil For All Race Engines
Fuchs Titan SuperSyn SL 0W-30
Havoline Synthetic DS 0W-30
Kendall GT-1 Full Synthetic 5W-40
Liqui Moly Diesel Synthoil 5W-40
Liqui Moly High Tech 5W-40
Liqui Moly HC7 5W-40
LUKOIL SYNTEETIK 5W-40
Mobil 1 SuperSyn European Car Formula 0W-40
Mobil 1 SuperSyn 5W-40
Mobil 1 SuperSyn 5W-50
Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel 0W-40
Mobil Synt S 5W-40
Mobil Synt S Turbo Diesel 5W-40
Mobil Syst S 5W-40
Motul 8100 E-Tech 0W-40
Motul 8100 X-cess 5W-40
Pennzoil Synthetic European Formulation 5W-40
Pentosin Pentospeed 0W-30 VS
Quaker State Full Synthetic European Formulation 5W-40
Schaeffer Micron Moly 5W-30, 10W-40
Schaeffer Supreme 7000 5W-30, 10W-30, 20W-50
76 Pure Synthetic Motor Oil 5W-40
Shell Helix Plus S 5W-40 (Mercedes-Benz)
Shell Helix Ultra 5W-30, 0W-40, 5W-40
Sunoco Synturo Gold 5W-40 (introduced January 2002)
Total FINA First 5W-40
Total Quartz 9000 5W-40
Valvoline DuraBlend MXL 5W-40
Valvoline SynPower MXL 0W-30
Valvoline SynPower 5W-30, 0W-40, 5W-40
Veedol POWERTRON 5W-30
Veedol SYNTRON 0W-30

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#2908579 - 02/16/13 03:17 PM Re: The MB 229.5 specs! [Re: G-MAN]
vinu_neuro Offline


Registered: 05/09/05
Posts: 969
Loc: Chicago / IN
Originally Posted By: G-MAN
JB in another thread posted a link to this pdf file from the Ethyl corporation. It is a GOLD MINE. We've all been wondering what's behind the MB 229.5 specs, well here it is. (I just we could get a look at the "further requirments" listed in the "performance standard" mentioned at the bottom.)

<img src="http://www.manthanein.com/images/229.5.jpg" alt=" - " />


Does anyone still have this file?? Could you kindly please post it? smile
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#2908650 - 02/16/13 04:09 PM Re: The MB 229.5 specs! [Re: G-MAN]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 25939
Loc: Michigan
vinu, here is the most recent version:

http://www.aftonchemical.com/Lists/Brochure/Attachments/40/Afton_Lube_Spec_Handbook_2012.pdf


Ethyl changed its name to Afton Chemical in 2004, IIRC.
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'02 530i (PU 5W-40)
'08 C300 4Matic (M1 0W-40)
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