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#2304130 - 07/02/11 12:11 PM RWD v. FWD for snow use
RamFan Offline


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Not an article, more like a Q&A.
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#2304138 - 07/02/11 12:21 PM Re: RWD v. FWD for snow use [Re: RamFan]
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With today's modern tires (and snow tires), stability control, torque vectoring, etc...I find there's almost no real difference.
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#2304140 - 07/02/11 12:23 PM Re: RWD v. FWD for snow use [Re: dparm]
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Originally Posted By: dparm
With today's modern tires (and snow tires), stability control, torque vectoring, etc...I find there's almost no real difference.


But the physics of the situation (real ones, not computer actuated stuff) still favors the FWD vehicle, IMO.

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#2304145 - 07/02/11 12:28 PM Re: RWD v. FWD for snow use [Re: JHZR2]
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: dparm
With today's modern tires (and snow tires), stability control, torque vectoring, etc...I find there's almost no real difference.


But the physics of the situation (real ones, not computer actuated stuff) still favors the FWD vehicle, IMO.


+1

RWD=no control over direction of traction. That is a "big" reality no one can convince me is not important.
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#2304152 - 07/02/11 12:34 PM Re: RWD v. FWD for snow use [Re: RamFan]
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With 4 snow tires (not 2 on the drive wheels!) and some attention to the road I still prefer RWD myself. Learned to drive RWD, first 4 vehicles were RWD, not drive an AWD. Just do not like how a FWD car handles.
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#2304165 - 07/02/11 12:52 PM Re: RWD v. FWD for snow use [Re: JHZR2]
dparm Offline


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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: dparm
With today's modern tires (and snow tires), stability control, torque vectoring, etc...I find there's almost no real difference.


But the physics of the situation (real ones, not computer actuated stuff) still favors the FWD vehicle, IMO.


Agreed but I've driven FWD, RWD, and AWD cars in the snow (all 3 with the same motor, actually) and with all of today's advancements it pretty much felt the same. AWD was easier to get moving but in terms of car control...very close.
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#2304176 - 07/02/11 01:26 PM Re: RWD v. FWD for snow use [Re: simple_gifts]
fdcg27 Offline


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Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: dparm
With today's modern tires (and snow tires), stability control, torque vectoring, etc...I find there's almost no real difference.


But the physics of the situation (real ones, not computer actuated stuff) still favors the FWD vehicle, IMO.


+1

RWD=no control over direction of traction. That is a "big" reality no one can convince me is not important.



Actually, RWD offers the option of steering with both the steering wheel and your right foot, while a FWD car will simply plow itself toward the outside of a corner.
FWD is probably more idiot-proof, but RWD offers options to anyone who's driven RWD enough to be comfortable with it.
Neither is in the same class as AWD, though.
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#2304179 - 07/02/11 01:28 PM Re: RWD v. FWD for snow use [Re: RamFan]
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It seems to me that it is dependant on the car.

I got passed by a 5-series in the ice this past winter when I felt like I was at the safest speed my fwd Mazda6 could travel.(the 5-er was backwards against the wall a couple miles down the road but I did not see what made that happen. Driver error? Someone else caused it? shrug all I know was he was 15-20mph faster than I was and seemed to be tracking straight)

My 6 has 225/40R18 summer tires and it is better any of my Mustangs in the ice. Regardless of tires. All-season 14" pizza cutters to 225/60R15s to 225/55R16s. My Daytona was roughly the same size and weight as a Fox body Mustang and it was far superior in the ice.

In one ice storm, my boss picked me up in his W126 Mercedes Benz diesel. It handled everything well. I had a Suzuki Swift. I could get moving and I could stop but the car lacked enough mass to get out of the ruts effectively. That was actually beneficial on one steep hill on I-20. It was like being on one of those go-kart tracks at a theme park. I went faster and faster but the car would not leave the lane It was scary but kind of funny.
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#2304188 - 07/02/11 01:36 PM Re: RWD v. FWD for snow use [Re: RamFan]
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My S4's quattro has truly sold me on 4WD/AWD in snowy climates. I was able to drive through this without any problems earlier in the year (on 245/40R18 Blizzak LM25-V tires):




Edited by dparm (07/02/11 01:37 PM)
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#2304190 - 07/02/11 01:39 PM Re: RWD v. FWD for snow use [Re: RamFan]
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4WD drive rules, LOL.

All kidding aside, given a choice of RWD with a LSD, or FWD I'd take the RWD LSD combo with a stick shift. I've owned both.
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#2304200 - 07/02/11 02:06 PM Re: RWD v. FWD for snow use [Re: demarpaint]
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
4WD drive rules, LOL.

All kidding aside, given a choice of RWD with a LSD, or FWD I'd take the RWD LSD combo with a stick shift. I've owned both.


I find LSD a problem when driving.
I keep picturing myself on a boat on a river, with tangerine trees and marmalade skies.
Sorry, although I agree with your point, I couldn't resist.
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#2304250 - 07/02/11 02:58 PM Re: RWD v. FWD for snow use [Re: fdcg27]
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Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
4WD drive rules, LOL.

All kidding aside, given a choice of RWD with a LSD, or FWD I'd take the RWD LSD combo with a stick shift. I've owned both.


I find LSD a problem when driving.
I keep picturing myself on a boat on a river, with tangerine trees and marmalade skies.
Sorry, although I agree with your point, I couldn't resist.



Did you go to HS in the 70's? LOL
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#2304302 - 07/02/11 04:01 PM Re: RWD v. FWD for snow use [Re: demarpaint]
fdcg27 Offline


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Actually, I did.
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#2304306 - 07/02/11 04:04 PM Re: RWD v. FWD for snow use [Re: RamFan]
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I thought so, I did too.
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#2304354 - 07/02/11 05:25 PM Re: RWD v. FWD for snow use [Re: RamFan]
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Registered: 06/04/10
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Loc: Colorado
I'l take neither, after driving my AWD Subaru over the course of 2 Colorado winter's, you couldn't give me a fwd, certainly not a rwd. My Subie is the shiz-nit in the snow, lol.
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