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#1801911 - 03/03/10 09:50 AM Re: I did something I never thought I would do... [Re: daman]
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Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 10544
Loc: Bad Axe, MI
Now i see the 15w40 has 4 suppliers,how do you know witch one you store uses/has???
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#1802146 - 03/03/10 12:58 PM Re: I did something I never thought I would do... [Re: daman]
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This doesn't surprise me. The Expy seems the happiest overall on M1 0w40 from the grades I've tried.
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#1802168 - 03/03/10 01:20 PM Re: I did something I never thought I would do... [Re: OVERKILL]
TexHill Offline


Registered: 03/21/09
Posts: 8
Loc: Texas
I'm a service manager at a Deere dealer in North Texas. Deere is phasing out Plus 50 & is replacing it with Plus 50 II which is compatible with the current Tier 3 & the new Tier 4 engines. Deere no longer makes the original Plus 50 as of October.

Quoting what we've received from Deere:

Plus-50 II exceeds the requirements of the American Petroleum
Institute (API) Service Category CJ-4 for use in high-speed fourstroke diesel engines and is backward compatible to meet
previous API engine oil classifications.

Plus-50 II premium engine oil has been designed to provide
advanced lubricant performance in modern low emission
engines, and to meet the requirements of heavy-duty off-road
applications, as well as lighter duty applications including onroad vehicles.

Plus-50 II exceeds demands of John Deere JDQ-78X hightemperature
performance test. JDQ-78X is the most severe engine dyno test for high temperature oil oxidation in the industry. The proven performance from the JDQ-78X along with extensive field testing allows extended drain intervals up to 500 hours when using Plus-50 II and John Deere filters.

Applications
Plus-50 II is recommended for four-stroke naturally aspirated, turbocharged and supercharged diesel engines with Diesel articulate Filters (DPF), Diesel Oxidation Catalysts (DOC), and Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR). Examples of applications include; heavy-duty off-road equipment, vehicles with John Deere iT4 engines, vehicles requiring CJ-4 oil, on-road trucks, marine engines, natural gas engines,pickups, and automobiles. Plus-50 II is also recommended for use in all legacy diesel engine
applications where Plus-50 has been in use.

Specifications
API service categories:
- CJ-4, CI-4 PLUS, CI-4, CH-4, CG-4
- SM, SL, SJ
ACEA (Europe) oil sequences:
- E9, E7
JASO (Japan) oil standards:
- DH-2
Major diesel engine manufacturers’ requirements:
- John Deere JDQ-78X
- Mack EO-O Premium Plus 07
- Cummins CES 20081, 77, 76 (15W-40), 75
- Caterpillar ECF-3, ECF-2, ECF-1-a, TO-2
- Mercedes Benz 228.31 (15W-40)
- Detroit Diesel 93K218 (15W-40), 93K214 (15W-40)
- Volvo VDS-4, VDS-3, VDS-2
- Renault RLD, RXD, RD
- Man M3275
- MTU Type 2.1
Typical Properties
15W-40
Viscosity @ 40°C 128.0 cSt
Viscosity @ 100°C 15.6 cSt
Viscosity Index 127
HTHS Viscosity @150°C 4.3 cP
Pour Point -36°C
Flash Point °C 225
Total Base Number (TBN) 10.5
Sulfated Ash 1.0

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#1802219 - 03/03/10 02:09 PM Re: I did something I never thought I would do... [Re: TexHill]
daman Online   content


Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 10544
Loc: Bad Axe, MI
Originally Posted By: TexHill
I'm a service manager at a Deere dealer in North Texas. Deere is phasing out Plus 50 & is replacing it with Plus 50 II which is compatible with the current Tier 3 & the new Tier 4 engines. Deere no longer makes the original Plus 50 as of October.

Quoting what we've received from Deere:

Plus-50 II exceeds the requirements of the American Petroleum
Institute (API) Service Category CJ-4 for use in high-speed fourstroke diesel engines and is backward compatible to meet
previous API engine oil classifications.

Plus-50 II premium engine oil has been designed to provide
advanced lubricant performance in modern low emission
engines, and to meet the requirements of heavy-duty off-road
applications, as well as lighter duty applications including onroad vehicles.

Plus-50 II exceeds demands of John Deere JDQ-78X hightemperature
performance test. JDQ-78X is the most severe engine dyno test for high temperature oil oxidation in the industry. The proven performance from the JDQ-78X along with extensive field testing allows extended drain intervals up to 500 hours when using Plus-50 II and John Deere filters.

Applications
Plus-50 II is recommended for four-stroke naturally aspirated, turbocharged and supercharged diesel engines with Diesel articulate Filters (DPF), Diesel Oxidation Catalysts (DOC), and Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR). Examples of applications include; heavy-duty off-road equipment, vehicles with John Deere iT4 engines, vehicles requiring CJ-4 oil, on-road trucks, marine engines, natural gas engines,pickups, and automobiles. Plus-50 II is also recommended for use in all legacy diesel engine
applications where Plus-50 has been in use.

Specifications
API service categories:
- CJ-4, CI-4 PLUS, CI-4, CH-4, CG-4
- SM, SL, SJ
ACEA (Europe) oil sequences:
- E9, E7
JASO (Japan) oil standards:
- DH-2
Major diesel engine manufacturers’ requirements:
- John Deere JDQ-78X
- Mack EO-O Premium Plus 07
- Cummins CES 20081, 77, 76 (15W-40), 75
- Caterpillar ECF-3, ECF-2, ECF-1-a, TO-2
- Mercedes Benz 228.31 (15W-40)
- Detroit Diesel 93K218 (15W-40), 93K214 (15W-40)
- Volvo VDS-4, VDS-3, VDS-2
- Renault RLD, RXD, RD
- Man M3275
- MTU Type 2.1
Typical Properties
15W-40
Viscosity @ 40°C 128.0 cSt
Viscosity @ 100°C 15.6 cSt
Viscosity Index 127
HTHS Viscosity @150°C 4.3 cP
Pour Point -36°C
Flash Point °C 225
Total Base Number (TBN) 10.5
Sulfated Ash 1.0

Yup i knew that,my dealer still has a good stock of CI(15w40) left,i think it's the same oil they just adjusted the additive package to meet CJ-4 specs,great oil i would rather have CI with the better AW and cleaning property's my self.

0/40 is still CI or are they changing that also????

welcome to the board,nice to have a JD official on board so to speek.
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#1802309 - 03/03/10 03:00 PM Re: I did something I never thought I would do... [Re: daman]
TexHill Offline


Registered: 03/21/09
Posts: 8
Loc: Texas
Yes, 0/40 is going to the new standard as well. This all has to do with making sure that the new Tier 4 engines stay within the new emissions standards.

They're saying that a Tier 4 engine using Plus 50 II will be able to go 500 hrs between oil changes vs. the 250 hrs recommended in the operators manual. But they also recommend an oil scan before going to the extended interval.

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#1802332 - 03/03/10 03:13 PM Re: I did something I never thought I would do... [Re: TexHill]
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Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 10544
Loc: Bad Axe, MI
Originally Posted By: TexHill
Yes, 0/40 is going to the new standard as well. This all has to do with making sure that the new Tier 4 engines stay within the new emissions standards.

They're saying that a Tier 4 engine using Plus 50 II will be able to go 500 hrs between oil changes vs. the 250 hrs recommended in the operators manual. But they also recommend an oil scan before going to the extended interval.

Yes i understand that also,we still only do 200hr OCI on our units,we have tractors 10,000 plus hrs on the original rebuild,fire right up in winter.
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#1802367 - 03/03/10 03:46 PM Re: I did something I never thought I would do... [Re: kd5byb]
Steve S Offline


Registered: 01/20/03
Posts: 18449
Loc: East of IGO
Originally Posted By: kd5byb
Hmmmmn... I may try some 15W-40 in my '97 Mustang GT during the summer. It goes out very little (3k a year) and gets driven like it was stolen. drive Got a ton of Delvac for $6 a gallon at wally world...
Let the oil warm up before you drive it like you stole it .
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#1802814 - 03/03/10 10:01 PM Re: I did something I never thought I would do... [Re: kd5byb]
AdRock Offline


Registered: 06/05/09
Posts: 769
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: kd5byb
Hmmmmn... I may try some 15W-40 in my '97 Mustang GT during the summer. It goes out very little (3k a year) and gets driven like it was stolen. drive Got a ton of Delvac for $6 a gallon at wally world...


With a 15w in there I bet that thing is going to rattle like mad on initial startup. I hope you at least have a Motorcraft filter on it. The 2v mod motors are already known for some piston slap when cold. A 15w is not going to help that situation.


Edited by AdRock (03/03/10 10:04 PM)
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#1809049 - 03/08/10 05:56 PM Re: I did something I never thought I would do... [Re: daman]
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Registered: 06/17/05
Posts: 4911
Loc: Billings, MT
Originally Posted By: daman
Can i ask what you payed for your plus 50? around here it's little pricey for the 0/40.


I just called another dealer here that sells John Deere construction equipment, and they wanted $7.67 per quart. Eff that.
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#1809155 - 03/08/10 07:02 PM Re: I did something I never thought I would do... [Re: chevrofreak]
daman Online   content


Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 10544
Loc: Bad Axe, MI
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Originally Posted By: daman
Can i ask what you payed for your plus 50? around here it's little pricey for the 0/40.


I just called another dealer here that sells John Deere construction equipment, and they wanted $7.67 per quart. Eff that.

Yea but remember this is a PAO based oil good oil,well built,but yea little pricey i hear ya ,i did better with hour farm account i can score it for $6.08 a qt,,$113 5 gal pal,not bad,thought about grabbing a pal to add to my P50 15w50 pals.
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#1838120 - 03/30/10 02:22 PM Re: I did something I never thought I would do... [Re: daman]
chevrofreak Offline


Registered: 06/17/05
Posts: 4911
Loc: Billings, MT
I topped off the other day because the level on the dipstick was down about 1/4" or so. I used 1/2 quart of oil, and it brought the level back to where it was on the initial fill. I had about 1,100 miles on it, so that means my oil consumption is about half what it was. It may even be less than that, because it could be the No Leak evaporating or seeping past the seals faster than the 0W-40 is.
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#1838140 - 03/30/10 02:31 PM Re: I did something I never thought I would do... [Re: daman]
John_K Offline


Registered: 12/08/06
Posts: 2312
Loc: Columbus, Ohio
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: bradepb
How come they call the 0w-40 plus-50 ?

Because you can take the OCI out 50% more hours then you usally do when running the plus-50(15w40/0w40).




I was wondering the same thing. Strange name. Asking for "Plus 50 15w40" sounds like a misunderstanding waiting to happen.

John
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