Fuchs 0W30 (Euro Civic Type R FN2)

[Jeroen]

Hi guys,

Again a better late than never report from my first service last year.
This is the oil my car came with when I bought it. My oil use interval was at 7700 kilometers, being 4784 miles (instead of 7700 miles as in the report). During the service I had it filled with Mobil 1 0W40. Virgin sample analysis can be found here: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1491262#Post1491262).

Too bad they messed it up this year (went in a few weeks ago at 16000 kilometers) as they changed the oil without taking a sample first .

 

[INDYMAC]

This looks like Honda OEM fill. Why do you call it Fuchs 0W-30?

 

[Jeroen]

Yes, this is the oil the car came with when it was factory new. Fuchs is just another brand of oil I guess? http://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-393-fuchs.aspx

In case I misunderstood you: Honda uses Fuchs as their supplier for oil for the EURO cars. Well at least at the time I bought the car. Local Honda dealers here use whatever brand they see fit that is within spec...

 

[addyguy]

A new Honda wouldn't have a full synthetic as the factory fill, I don't think. This is most likely just a dino 20-weight with high moly, as per most Honda factory fills...

Your M1 0W-40 is a good oil, but it might be too thick for a new Honda. I know this is a Euro-spec car; but I'm sure it only calle for a 30-weight at the most. Might want to check....

 

[Jeroen]

0W40 is allowed according to my manual (0W30 seems to be the recommended oil mostly because of the potential fuel saving ; many dealers use 5w30 though). I went for 0w40 because I want to avoid that 0W30 would become 0W20 (Current CTR engine bay is very cramped and gets quite hot as a result).

It's confirmed by a chap who works at the Swindon plant(UK) that Fuchs 0W30 is actually put in the Type R cars. Pottsy (creator of http://www.civinfo.com forums - one of the largest forums about the EURO Civic) has good contacts with Honda also confirms this. Dino oil days might be over for new engines?

 

[addyguy]

A synthetic 0W-30 won't become a 20-weight. Synthetrics are very resistant to shear. But, if 40-weight is allowed, then there is no problem using it. Fuel economy will be better with the thinner oil; but gas can't be that expensive in Belgium, can it?

 

[Jeroen]

A mere $2 for one litre and going up. I'm starting to miss this global recession

 

[benjamming]

A synthetic 0W30 sure can become a 20-weight (read fuel dilute).

 

[benjamming]

Trending is very important. Why don't you change the oil so that the sample collection won't be forgotten?

 

[Jeroen]

Benjamming, what do you mean by your last comment? I'm sorry I don't understand.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: addyguy
A new Honda wouldn't have a full synthetic as the factory fill,

Why not. A lot of cars nowadays come filled with synthetic from the factory.

Quote:
A synthetic 0W-30 won't become a 20-weight.

If a synthetic 0w-40 can quickly shear to a 30-weight, then why can't a 0w-30 shear to a 20-weight, especially if a little bit of fuel finds its way into the mix?

 

[INDYMAC]

Originally Posted By: Jeroen
A mere $2 for one litre and going up. I'm starting to miss this global recession


The recession is still alive and well. They've just figured out how to raise oil prices too!!!

 

[benjamming]

Jeroen,

You say that the latest oil change didn't have a sample collected b/c the shop forgot to catch one. If you change it yourself, you can always make sure a sample is collected.

 

[Jeroen]

My Blackstone pump arrived today. It works great BTW. I'll be taking the samples myself from now on before going to the dealership.

 

[benjamming]

Good! You may also be able to eliminate sample variation by only 1 person taking the sample from the same point in the same way.

Off topic, but why even bother taking it to the dealership at all for oil changes? I don't know what life is like in Belgium.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: benjamming
Off topic, but why even bother taking it to the dealership at all for oil changes? I don't know what life is like in Belgium.

In order to maintain warranty, all work has to be done by the dealer over there.

 

[Jeroen]

Not really. Work has to be carried out by a workshop (doesn't have to be the dealer) but an invoice is required so that there is proof the workshop used good quality parts. In real life Honda might try to deny warranty so it isn't worth the hassle.
I do insist on them putting in my oil though.

Technically, I could get the OEM parts though.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
then why can't a 0w-30 shear to a 20-weight, especially if a little bit of fuel finds its way into the mix?


What fuel dilution. And shear down to a 51.4? "Fuchs"??..yea..they named it right.

 

[benjamming]

Blackstone doesn't measure for fuel. It's only a calculated #.

 

[Izb]

Fuchs Titan Supersyn 0W-30 ( http://www.opieoils.co.uk/pdfs/FUCHS - TDS/TITAN SUPERSYN SAE 0W-30.pdf ) is one of the best 0W-30 motor oil, like Motul 8100 X-lite 0W-30 ( http://www.motul-canada.com/en/products/...te_0W30_TDS.pdf and http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...true#Post959894 ) or Valvoline Synpower MXL 0W-30 (http://www.valvolineeurope.com/UploadedFiles/1914.pdf )

But different base oils(according to MSDSs):
1. Motul 8100 X-lite: group III + group IV (8..12%) + group V
2. Valvoline Synpower MXL 0W-30 : group IV + group V
3. Fuchs Titan SuperSync 0W-30 : group IV+ group V. There is very interesting information about group V base from russian web-site: http://www.fuchs-oil.ru/upload_files/90/32/h_6a8de449e84dc0dd45e4299f249590e1

That's why I am looking for another UOA's of these 3 motoroils!