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#1432247 - 04/11/09 10:03 PM Re: MMO vs TCW3 as a fuel additive [Re: Trajan]
TallPaul Offline


Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 12915
Loc: By Detroit
Been using TC3W for a year now at 1 oz per 4 gallons. Really can't say I have noticed anything, but should help keep all the parts lubed and cleaner. Today I picked up a quart of MMO to try out.

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#1432250 - 04/11/09 10:11 PM Re: MMO vs TCW3 as a fuel additive [Re: TallPaul]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 21292
Loc: NY
I use 1 oz TCW3 per 5 gallons of gas, or 2 oz MMO per 5 gallons of gas.
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#1432279 - 04/11/09 10:50 PM Re: MMO vs TCW3 as a fuel additive [Re: TallPaul]
Trajan Offline


Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 3347
Loc: SE PA
 Originally Posted By: TallPaul
Been using TC3W for a year now at 1 oz per 4 gallons. Really can't say I have noticed anything, but should help keep all the parts lubed and cleaner. Today I picked up a quart of MMO to try out.


I've used it. If nothing else, you'll get a nice smelling exhaust.
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#1432309 - 04/11/09 11:53 PM Re: MMO vs TCW3 as a fuel additive [Re: Trajan]
TallPaul Offline


Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 12915
Loc: By Detroit
Oh yeah, I had some MMO once and it does smell good. Is it wintergreen? For sure the 2-cycle oil smells very bad.

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#1432399 - 04/12/09 05:59 AM Re: MMO vs TCW3 as a fuel additive [Re: TallPaul]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 21292
Loc: NY
IIRC they do add a wintergreen oil (?) or something to it which gives it that smell. I can't say if it does anything, other than give it the smell.
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#1432410 - 04/12/09 06:56 AM Re: MMO vs TCW3 as a fuel additive [Re: demarpaint]
azsynthetic Offline


Registered: 06/01/07
Posts: 1221
Loc: Phoenix AZ
2-cycle castor oil smell a lot better than MMO when burned. I run castor based TC oil mix when I am out camping because I run the pickup truck at high idle to charge up the RV. No one has ever complain about the exhaust smell in my camp.

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#1433042 - 04/13/09 05:05 AM Re: MMO vs TCW3 as a fuel additive [Re: azsynthetic]
mez Offline


Registered: 11/14/06
Posts: 216
Loc: MA
Here is some data on my 2006 Honda Ridgeline Truck. The truck has ~44k on it now and I used either PP or QHP 5w-20.

overall without any MMO or TCW-3;

26476.3miles/1365.771gal=19.38miles/gal

With MMO; 2 tanksfuls

601.6miles/32.113gal=18.74miles/gal

With TCW-3; 3 tanksfuls

1023.7miles/52.441gal=19.52miles/gal

Not sure if there is enough data. I stop using MMO and will continue to use 1oz/5gal of TCW-3.

I will report more data with TCW-3 after I have gone through more tanksful.
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#1433052 - 04/13/09 06:17 AM Re: MMO vs TCW3 as a fuel additive [Re: mez]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 21292
Loc: NY
That is interesting that the MMO caused a drop in mpg. What was the dose you were using with MMO? From what I've read the 1oz/5 gallons of gas is the perfect dose for the TCW3. MMO is somewhere around 2oz/5gallons of gas.
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#1433743 - 04/13/09 05:52 PM Re: MMO vs TCW3 as a fuel additive [Re: demarpaint]
mez Offline


Registered: 11/14/06
Posts: 216
Loc: MA
I used 6oz of MMO in about 18gal of gas.
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#1434190 - 04/14/09 06:29 AM Re: MMO vs TCW3 as a fuel additive [Re: mez]
ADFD1 Offline


Registered: 04/05/09
Posts: 1714
Loc: CA.
Looks like the correct dose. How many tanks did you run before you changed to TCW-3? Also could you have been running winter gas with the MMO? Winter gas stinks as far as getting good mpgs. There are so many variables. I read a thread on another board it was very long about people using TCW-3 and getting fantastic results with it. Then I read somewhere else people getting the same kind of results with MMO.

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#1434266 - 04/14/09 08:13 AM Re: MMO vs TCW3 as a fuel additive [Re: ADFD1]
mez Offline


Registered: 11/14/06
Posts: 216
Loc: MA
I ran 2 tankful of MMO on 2/9/09 and 2/25/09. I was thinking that winter grade gas effected the numbers and it was only for 2 tankfuls. After that, i switched to TCW-3 for 3 tankful so far.
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#1434480 - 04/14/09 12:25 PM Re: MMO vs TCW3 as a fuel additive [Re: mez]
scudpilot Offline


Registered: 10/12/08
Posts: 175
Loc: Pittsburgh,Pa.
So if I understand everyone correctly, MMO or TCW3 at the right dose works like Lucas UCL and injector cleaner. I have been using the UCL for a while, but the gallons went from $19.99 to $30.00 recently and am going to stop using it once my supply is gone.
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#1434493 - 04/14/09 12:38 PM Re: MMO vs TCW3 as a fuel additive [Re: scudpilot]
demarpaint Offline


Registered: 07/03/05
Posts: 21292
Loc: NY
TCW3 and MMO work well as a top oil/UCL. My feeling is MMO does a better job cleaning than TCW3 will. Keep in mind if you are trying to really clean a carb or fuel injectors the best thing to do is use a cleaner specifically made for that purpose. Once clean MMO will keep them clean, as well as any added benefits of a UCL, and perhaps some additional mpgs.
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#1436428 - 04/16/09 10:52 AM Re: MMO vs TCW3 as a fuel additive [Re: demarpaint]
mechtech2 Offline


Registered: 09/05/06
Posts: 19479
Loc: Chicago Area
I always use an upper cyl lube, so I really can't compare to plain gas anymore.
I use MMO or 2 stroke. Lucas UCL if I feel rich.
I do it because of the extraprotection and possible better sealing -especially with today's alcohol infused fuels.. Any MPG or power benefits are a plus, but not the object.

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#1436449 - 04/16/09 11:18 AM Re: MMO vs TCW3 as a fuel additive [Re: mechtech2]
SuperDave456 Offline


Registered: 10/29/08
Posts: 2255
Loc: Dallas, Texas
I have used MMO, Lucas UCL, and most recently Penzoil Synthetic Blend TCW-3.
I cant tell a difference in mileage with or without them.

However, I believe that the TCW-3 has more detergents than most people think. I have spilled some on myself and it started to burn after a few seconds, chemical burn. I know my skin and carbon deposits are 2 different things, but still...

Also, shopping the Closeout section of Walmart during winter you can find some quality synthetic and synthetic blend TCW-3. I picked up the Gallon of Penzoil I have for $9 back in December or Jan.
Also, in Feb I had my Texas State inspection with the Emissions test done with a tank full of gas and 5 oz of TCW-3, passed it with flying colors.

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