0w-30 Mobile1

Posted by: Mach1Owner

0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/22/14 12:44 PM

I'm thinking of making this my usual change for my 2014 Altima. Nissan recommends both 0w-20 and 5w-30.

If I understand right 0w is easier for cold start ups, and 30 gives better wear protection than 20. So am I right in assuming that 0w-30 would give the easiest cold start and best protection?

I'll be matching this with a Nissan or perhaps a Motorcraft filter.
Posted by: dparm

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/22/14 12:50 PM

30 does not necessarily give better wear protection. Thicker is not always better. That being said, a 0w30 will work fine in place of a 5w30.

I would use the 0w20 unless the car sees severe usage on a regular basis.
Posted by: Quattro Pete

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/22/14 12:51 PM

Originally Posted By: dparm
I would use the 0w20 unless the car sees severe usage on a regular basis.

+1
Posted by: BISCUT

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/22/14 01:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: dparm
I would use the 0w20 unless the car sees severe usage on a regular basis.

+1


+2 20wt oil with the reasonable OCI has kept my F150 happy!
Posted by: Clevy

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/22/14 01:25 PM

Unless you are regularity achieving oil temps above 240ishF there really isn't any need for a thicker oil not that going thicker would really hurt anything though.
Think of it this way. Your engine requires a film of oil on the moving parts. If oils temps aren't high enough to compromise the oils film strength then the parts are separated,and a thicker film of oil will do nothing but increase drag.
You require an oil film and a thicker film gains nothing unless you are seriously heating up the oil and those temps affect the oils film strength.
I'm using a 5w-20 in my hemi. My last hemi was an 04 ram quad cab 4x4. It had 280k on it when I totalled it.
I bought it with service records and the oil was changed by the dealer every 5000 miles with conventional bulk oil.
That truck ran like a top,consumed no oil whatsoever and I couldn't tell a power difference from it vs my dads 2012 ram,so today's 20 grade oils are proven to keep engines running just fine for many hundreds of thousands of miles.
That being said going a grade thicker won't hurt, it is unnecessary though unless you are experiencing sustained elevated oil temps and require a thicker oil to compensate.
Posted by: ARCOgraphite

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/22/14 01:46 PM

Picking the right oil for the engine type and tolerance stack is most important. Some may do well on a 5w20 other swell on a 10w30. Most oil are marginally additised with EP AW so "quality" viscosity may be more important than in the heyday of ton's O'moly and double the phos. Amoung the current ILSAC oils Shell Ultra and BP Edge with Ti are leaders and QSUD and QSGB are the bargains.

Note that acheiving the 0w rating will lead to some healthy performance compromises on a 5 dollar a Litre oil.

Maybe you want to keep a bit of the Ford in play in the Tennessee Renault Altima and run some Kendall GT1 Synthetic! smile if Honda and Ford BOTH trust Conoco-Phillips to make a good OEM branded oil - how bad could it be? Maybe The FORD Synthetic ( also C-P made stuff).

Mobil 1 is just also ran. Mobile 1 is a telephone company(?)

Biggest advice: Stay away from the garbage China-sourced Nissan service replacement Filters -- miles !
Posted by: satinsilver

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/22/14 02:09 PM

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Mobile 1 is a telephone company(?)


Third largest city in Alabama. laugh
Posted by: OVERKILL

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/22/14 02:53 PM

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite

Note that acheiving the 0w rating will lead to some healthy performance compromises on a 5 dollar a Litre oil.


confused

By this logic M1 0w-40 is a big 'ol batch of compromises too..... Weird how it manages to obtain all those OEM approvals then eh? wink
Posted by: dparm

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/22/14 02:55 PM

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite

Biggest advice: Stay away from the garbage China-sourced Nissan service replacement Filters -- miles !



I don't think the OEM filters are that awful. How many millions of Nissans have used those and racked up 250k+? Anecdotal evidence for you: my family has owned 4 Infinitis over the last 15 years and they've all been trouble-free after using those "garbage" filters.
Posted by: Rand

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/22/14 03:33 PM

ok I'm going to bite there is so much just plain wrong there but.... how to you determine the ""tolerance stack"" for an engine unless you build it yourself or tear it down and blueprint it?
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Picking the right oil for the engine type and tolerance stack is most important. Some may do well on a 5w20 other swell on a 10w30. Most oil are marginally additised with EP AW so "quality" viscosity may be more important than in the heyday of ton's O'moly and double the phos.
Posted by: RF Overlord

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/22/14 03:59 PM

Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite

Biggest advice: Stay away from the garbage China-sourced Nissan service replacement Filters -- miles !



I don't think the OEM filters are that awful. How many millions of Nissans have used those and racked up 250k+? Anecdotal evidence for you: my family has owned 4 Infinitis over the last 15 years and they've all been trouble-free after using those "garbage" filters.
I thought the latest round of NISSAN filters was made in Mexico by Gonher now?
Posted by: Garak

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/22/14 05:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Mach1Owner
I'll be matching this with a Nissan or perhaps a Motorcraft filter.

If you're doing the severe service interval, I'd stick with a 5w-30 conventional. If you're going the longer one, the synthetic 0w-20 would definitely be worth considering. As for a filter, buy by price, within reason. If you can get the Nissan or Motorcrafts at a good price, go for it. I've used the Motorcraft in my G. The best bang for my buck, though, has been the Bosch Premium.
Posted by: jamesyarbrough

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/22/14 06:02 PM

Im no expert on the subject, but the way I understand it is that M1 0w30 only has better start up protection in very cold temps and that the 5w30 flavor is actually thinner at mild temps. I also hear that the 0w is thicker at operating temp. But dont take my word for it, im sure one of the experts has better info on the subject.

On the subject of thick vs thin, im a thick guy. Seems like we are the only country in the world who likes thin oil. Same engine overseas is spec'd for a thicker oil (sometimes) so im not buying it. Long as you have good oil pressure though I dont think it matters all that much.

I haven't yet had the chance to try M1 0w30 but I would like to. Im really in love with the M1 0w40 though! It runs very well in my 5w20 spec'd engine with no noticeable negative impact. I even get the same mpg.
Posted by: GMBoy

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/22/14 06:10 PM

MOBIL.
Posted by: Quattro Pete

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/22/14 07:49 PM

Originally Posted By: GMBoy
MOBIL.

Are you sure???

Posted by: daves87rs

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/22/14 09:14 PM

Nice jug there.....
Posted by: Kuato

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/22/14 11:43 PM

Originally Posted By: Mach1Owner
I'm thinking of making this my usual change for my 2014 Altima. Nissan recommends both 0w-20 and 5w-30.

If I understand right 0w is easier for cold start ups, and 30 gives better wear protection than 20. So am I right in assuming that 0w-30 would give the easiest cold start and best protection?

I'll be matching this with a Nissan or perhaps a Motorcraft filter.


Since Nissan recommends both 0w20 and 5w30, IMO a 0w30 should be just fine.
Posted by: ARCOgraphite

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/23/14 09:08 AM

Originally Posted By: Rand
ok I'm going to bite there is so much just plain wrong there but.... how to you determine the ""tolerance stack"" for an engine unless you build it yourself or tear it down and blueprint it?
The sound of one rod rapping smile
Posted by: dailydriver

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/23/14 08:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
MOBIL.

Are you sure???




^^^Must be that new 'bammy formuler!! LOL
Posted by: TrevorS

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/24/14 01:54 AM

Here's the right picture:

Posted by: Triton_330

Re: 0w-30 Mobile1 - 01/24/14 03:07 AM

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite

Maybe you want to keep a bit of the Ford in play in the Tennessee Renault Altima and run some Kendall GT1 Synthetic! smile if Honda and Ford BOTH trust Conoco-Phillips to make a good OEM branded oil - how bad could it be? Maybe The FORD Synthetic ( also C-P made stuff).


+1 Haha, see my sig? I gave some Kendall a try, for two reasons. One, due to it being C-P made, who also makes MC. And two, for the irony (my dad's name is Kendall, lol).