Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: kschachn
No, what is ridiculous is people having this cow over a brand and "raging" on BMW boards about it. Gee whiz. Most of the posters to the BMW boards I read are highly ignorant when it comes to motor oils. Half the time they as posting meaningless reasons not to use Mobil 1 anyway and trying to spin why you need some exotic oil. So this rage over M1 is downright laughable.
The really silly part is that even if it doesn't meet the cert for this new aspect, it appears that it is still just as good for all the rest of the LL-01 cars on the road. But even then, despite the fact that I have used ExxonMobil oils nearly exclusively since 1979 I was able to move 6 feet down the Walmart shelf and buy the Castrol product. It wasn't hard. Really, it wasn't.
What do you want to bet that this loss of cert isn't permanent? Then we can all go back to buying M1.
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Mobil1 0W40 for a long time was standard in this segment. When standard in the segment does not carry BMW certification, it is a problem. Why it is not carrying? Mobil1 feels sorry for rest of oil industry so letting them take that piece of market?
Company like Mobil1 does not have to wait for certification, they negotiate with BMW to do testing before oil hits the shelfs and that is it.
From all the conversation, M1 FS cannot meet current LL-01. Castrol can, Shell/Pennzoil can, Pentosin can, Liqui Moly can, Ravenol can, Motul can, etc. Argument how "it carries other specs." is ridiculous. It carries all other that are not applicable to BMW. Mobil1 today does not have oil on the U.S. market that carries BMW LL-01 spec. SPec. of manufacturer that is constantly number 1 or number 2 luxury brand in the U.S.
I know it is not permanent loss, but shows that M1 has issues with GTL.
What issues ?
The reality is the new test made the specification harder to pass. Whether it be group III, GTL or PAO.