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#393000 - 12/28/04 04:20 AM Mystery Jet
sprintman Offline


Registered: 05/27/02
Posts: 11006
Loc: Canberra ACT Australia
Mystery jet that takes suspects for interrogation
December 29, 2004

The aircraft is a Gulfstream V turbojet of the sort favoured by tycoons and celebrities.

Since September 11, 2001, it has been seen at military airports from Pakistan to Indonesia to Jordan, sometimes being boarded by hooded and handcuffed passengers.

The plane's owner of record, Premier Executive Transport Services Inc, lists directors and officers who appear to exist only on paper. Each one of those directors and officers has a recently issued US social security number and an address consisting only of a post office box.

They are "sterile identities" the CIA uses to conceal involvement in clandestine operations. In this case, the CIA is flying captured terrorist suspects from one country to another for detention and interrogation - an activity it calls "rendition".

The Gulfstream helps make all this possible. Since September 11, 2001, secret renditions have become a principal weapon in the CIA's arsenal against suspected al-Qaeda terrorists.

Airport officials, documents and amateur plane spotters say the Gulfstream V has been used to whisk detainees in or out of Jakarta, Pakistan, Egypt and Sweden, usually at night.

Morton Sklar, of the World Organisation for Human Rights, said rights groups are working on legal challenges to renditions because one of their purposes is to transfer captives to countries that use harsh interrogation methods outlawed in the US.

The CIA has the authority to carry out renditions under a presidential directive dating back to the Clinton administration, which the Bush Administration has since reviewed and renewed.

The story of the Gulfstream began to unravel less than six weeks after the September 11 attacks. On October 26 that year, Masood Anwar, a Pakistani journalist, broke a story that claimed Pakistani intelligence had handed over to US authorities a Yemeni microbiologist, Jamil Qasim Saeed Mohammed, who was wanted in connection with the October 2000 bombing of the warship USS Cole.

The report noted that an aircraft bearing the tail number N379P, and parked at Karachi airport, had whisked Mohammad away on October 23.

On December 18 men with American accents, wearing hoods and working with special Swedish security police, brought two Egyptian nationals onto a Gulfstream V that was parked at night at Stockholm's Bromma airport, Swedish officials and airport personnel said.

The account was confirmed independently by The Washington Post. The plane's tail number: N379P. The men were flown to Cairo. Later, Ahmed Agiza was convicted by Egypt's Supreme Military Court of terrorism-related charges. Muhammad Zery was set free. Both say they were tortured while in Egyptian custody. Sweden has opened an investigation into the decision to allow them to be rendered.

In January 2002, a US-registered Gulfstream V landed in Jakarta. Indonesian officials say it carried away Muhammad Saad Iqbal Madni, an Egyptian travelling on a Pakistani passport who was suspected of being an al-Qaeda operative. Without a hearing, he was flown to Egypt. His status and whereabouts are unknown.

On December 1, 2002, the aircraft, complete with a new tail number, was transferred to a new owner, Bayard Foreign Marketing of Portland. Its registered agent, Scott Caplan, did not return calls.

Bayard's sole listed corporate officer, Leonard Bayard, has no residential or telephone history. His name does not appear in any other public records.

The Washington Post

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#393001 - 12/28/04 06:15 AM Re: Mystery Jet
DJ Offline


Registered: 01/12/04
Posts: 738
Loc: New London WI
I don't think the public needs to know every single national security move it's government makes. People are sheep with too little stomach and will not allow what needs to be done be done. Washington Post goes on my do not buy list.

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#393002 - 12/28/04 06:29 AM Re: Mystery Jet
wileyE Offline


Registered: 11/18/04
Posts: 1967
Loc: Kitsap, WA
When I was young and asked my dad what he thought of stuff like this, the answer was: "yep they're sonobitches, but they're OUR sonobitches". Then he reminded me about a pet dog that we once had that went bad, couldn't be trusted and was biting people and killing the other animals. As much as he hated to do it,and it wasn't a popular decision with the rest of the family, he had to take it out and take care of things.

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#393003 - 12/28/04 07:13 AM Re: Mystery Jet
Al Offline


Registered: 06/08/02
Posts: 13581
Loc: Elizabethtown, Pa
quote:
Originally posted by DJ:
I don't think the public needs to know every single national security move it's government makes. People are sheep with too little stomach and will not allow what needs to be done be done. Washington Post goes on my do not buy list.

Bingo..Take them somewhere and behead them for all I care.

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#393004 - 12/28/04 07:36 AM Re: Mystery Jet
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 46687
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Why waste jet fuel on these suckers, droping them from 15,000 feet, just off them with a bullet to the head.

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#393005 - 12/28/04 09:05 AM Re: Mystery Jet
427Z06 Offline


Registered: 12/06/03
Posts: 7409
Loc: Austin, TX
I don't think the idea is to actually off them. They just dangle them out the door until they start cooperating. [Big Grin]

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#393006 - 12/28/04 09:33 AM Re: Mystery Jet
tmorris1 Offline


Registered: 07/15/03
Posts: 2038
Loc: MN
I like the old saying about how people like to eat sausage, but they don't like to see how it is made.

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#393007 - 12/28/04 10:09 AM Re: Mystery Jet
Shannow Offline


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 26808
Loc: a prison island
I like the good old ones about:
* innocent until proven guilty.
* fair trials.
* extradition in accordance with international law.
* trials under either military law or international law, not some made up system that stops people being classed under either banner.

You know, the sorts of nice things that us "holier than thou" countries preach incessently.

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#393008 - 12/28/04 04:58 PM Re: Mystery Jet
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 46687
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
I guess the people in NY City and Wash DC got fair trials, I wasn't there.

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#393009 - 12/28/04 05:27 PM Re: Mystery Jet
rjundi Offline


Registered: 03/16/04
Posts: 6327
Loc: New England
And we remember Bush's one of many "justifications" of our self inflicted **** for Iraqi citizens and US soldiers in Iraq was that "Sadam tortured people"......

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#393010 - 12/28/04 06:01 PM Re: Mystery Jet
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 46687
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Who said we are torturing these guys?

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#393011 - 12/28/04 06:03 PM Re: Mystery Jet
Gary Allan Offline


Registered: 09/28/02
Posts: 39806
Loc: Pottstown, PA
Well ....you give them a choice.

It reminds me of a movie with Vic Morrow and Alan Alda called "The Glass House". In it Vic was a prison boss man. This young kid was just new in prison and Vic treated him nice. Give him a guitar ... Anyway, at one point the kid is strumming the guitar in Vic's cell and a few of Vic's subordinates are there as well. Vic says to the kid "Kid, there are only two things I can't get in here. One's a helicopter (Vic and three henchmen laught loudly - kid smiles). The other is a woman." ...kid gets one of those looks on his face and stops strumming the guitar. Vic says, "Hey kid. It's either me .....or them three."

So ...these savage enemies of civilization have the option for the peaceful and civil alternative to the torture of those who don't mind inflicting it. They can confess their sins against humanity and pehaps escape full payment for their transgressions against the peaceful.

..or they can opt for what's behind door #3 [I dont know]

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#393012 - 12/28/04 06:54 PM Re: Mystery Jet
MAJA Offline


Registered: 06/14/04
Posts: 542
Loc: South Central Texas
There are some clandestine activities that should never be made public, and this may be one of them. Probably some "James Bond" overtures here.

quote:
Vic says to the kid "Kid, there are only two things I can't get in here. One's a helicopter
Wasnt Vic Morrow killed in a helicopter crash?

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#393013 - 12/28/04 07:08 PM Re: Mystery Jet
Schmoe Offline


Registered: 05/12/03
Posts: 6410
Loc: Oklahoma
Sounds like the same kind of story about Area 51. There's a unmarked jet the takes off from Las Vegas everyday and lands at Area 51 and the UFO people think that they are moving aliens around or something.

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#393014 - 12/28/04 07:12 PM Re: Mystery Jet
Gary Allan Offline


Registered: 09/28/02
Posts: 39806
Loc: Pottstown, PA
quote:
Wasnt Vic Morrow killed in a helicopter crash?
I believe that he was killed by a helicopter in the filming of the movie "The Twilight Zone" when an explosion stunt caused the helicopter to strike him and the child that he was carrying.

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