P-38 Lightning: The Best Plane From World War II?

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P-38 Lightning: The Best Plane From World War II? (Let The Debate Begin)​

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P-38 Lightning

P-38 Lightning

P-38 Lightning, the Best Plane of the Second World War? – In 1937, the U.S. Army Air Corps called for proposals for an interceptor capable of flying 360 miles-per-hour and climbing rapidly to high altitudes. Kelly Johnson, designer at Lockheed—then a small company without major prior military contracts—calculated only a twin-engine fighter could meet such parameters.
Johnson’s winning submission stood apart from the crowd: instead of a traditional fuselage, the twin Allison V-1710 liquid-cooled engines on his YP-38 connected at the tail via long booms. The pilot sat in a slender central pod from which bristled four .50-caliber machine guns and a 20-millimeter Hispano cannon. (A bulkier 37-millimeter Oldsmobile cannon on early models was quickly ditched.) Turbochargers mounted atop the engines enabled rapid climb rates, increased its service ceiling, and even muffled the engines, with contra-rotating propellers to reduce torque.

P-38 Lightning: A History
The P-38 could indeed fly fast—maxing at 395 miles-per-hour—and far (at slower speeds), up to 1,100 miles. However, the fighter’s unconventional configuration had its downsides, notably an infamous tendency for the controls to lock up in steep, high-speed dives, with often fatal results. The engines were finicky and required high levels of pilot training that were frequently lacking. The cockpit was poorly temperature-regulated—freezing at high altitude, excessively hot in tropical climates.

These flaws led the British Royal Air Force to cancel its Lightning order—only for it to be subsequently picked up by America after the Pearl Harbor attack. Uniquely amongst U.S. fighters, it remained in production throughout the entire war, with 10,000 built.
Each P-38 cost around $120-100,000, twice the price of most U.S. single-engine fighters. However, the P-38’s long-range and heavy payload—up to 3,000 pounds of bombs and rockets—meant it could perform missions early-war single-engine types simply couldn’t.

On August 9, 1942, two Lightning’s engaged in the “Thousand Mile War” for the Alaskan Aleutian Islands shot down the type’s first kill, an H6K seaplane. Five days later, an Iceland-based Lightning claimed the Air Corps first German aerial kill, an Fw-200 Condor maritime patrol plane. That winter, Lightnings decimated air and sea transports supplying (and later evacuating) German forces in North Africa, earning the grudging nickname Gabelschwanz Teufel—“Fork-tailed Devil”—their nose-mounted guns proving more accurate and hard-hitting than the wing-mounted weapons of most American fighters.
However, while the P-38 was nimble at low altitude, it grew sluggish higher up and suffered heavy losses dogfighting more agile Me-109G and Fw-190 fighters while escorting heavy B-17 bombers over Europe. The 7th Air Force more extensively used Lightnings in the Mediterranean, but even there took a beating in raids over Romania and Bulgaria. A few P-38s were even captured and used by Italian and German pilots to bushwhack Allied bombers.
By 1944, Johnson had identified and resolved the flaws in the Lightning’s airframe—adding power-assisted ailerons and dive flaps that respectively improved its roll-rate and corrected its tendency to lock into steep dives. Late-war bare-metal P-38J and L models incorporated these fixes, along with extra fuel tanks, heated flight suits, and uprated 1,475-horsepower engines (distinguishable by their “chin” radiators)—boosting maximum speed to 420 miles per hour.
The Lightning increasingly excelled as a fighter-bomber armed with 2,000-pound bombs and quintuple-racks of 5” high-velocity rockets. During the D-Day landing, P-38s with black-and-white invasion stripes roamed over northwestern France, blasting Wehrmacht headquarters, radar stations, trains and vehicle columns. One Lightning even skipped a bomb through the command post of Field Marshall von Kluge.
However, the Lightning’s shortcomings vis-a-vis German fighters meant it never equaled the reputation of single-engine Mustang and Thunderbolt fighters. This is unfortunate, as the Lightning was the top-performing Army fighter in the Pacific War, its engines more reliable in tropical climates and its accurate guns more devastating against lightly-armored Japanese warbirds.
In fact, the top-two scoring U.S. fighter pilots ever, Richard Bong with forty kills and Thomas McGuire with 38, both flew Lightnings. Neither survived the war: McGuire smashed his Lightning into the ground dogfighting in the Philippines. Bong died taking off in an F-80 jet.
Charles Lindbergh also flew a Lightning in combat nearly seventeen years after his pioneering trans-Atlantic flight, as did French writer Antoine de Saint-Exupéry (The Little Prince), whose F-5B crashed into the Mediterranean in 1944. Col. Robin Olds, who combat career spanned the Korean and Vietnam Wars with 16 kills, began his tally with a Lightning.
Perhaps the P-38’s most legendary mission occurred on April 18, 1943, after U.S. signals intelligence discovered that Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, Japanese navy chief and architect of the Pearl Harbor raid, was flying to inspect troops on Bougainville. Sixteen P-38Gs departed from Guadalcanal and flew a 1,000-mile roundtrip to intercept Yamamoto’s G4M Betty transport and send it crashing to the island below. Yamamoto’s body was found still clenching his officer’s katana in one hand.
Special Lightning variants included 700 F-4 and F-5 photo-reconnaissance models, and “Pathfinder” Lightnings with glass noses from which a navigator lying on his belly could peer below to guide strikes onto a target. In 1945, seventy-five black, two-seat P-38M night fighters were converted with a chin-mounted AN/APS-6 radar (effective range: around 5 miles) to hunt Japanese night bombers.
Though swiftly retired after World War II, the Lightning continued service with French and Italian Air Force and saw combat with Chinese Nationalists (one became the first victim of the Soviet-built MiG-15 jet) and over Guatemala, sinking a ship during a CIA-backed coup.
P-38 Lightning: The Legacy
Despite its flaws, the P-38 was a rare early example of a successful “heavy” fighter boasting speed, range and firepower—similar to modern multi-role fighters like the F-15 and Su-27. Kelly Johnson’s design has also proved as timelessly rugged as it is stylish—in 1992, a P-38 crash-landed in Greenland fifty years earlier was excavated from under 82 meters of ice and restored to flyable condition in 2007—under the name Glacier Girl, of course.

 
My dad, rest his soul, had nearly finished his training as a bombardier when WWII ended. He still had photos he had taken of aircraft while in training, and even the camera he had used to take those pictures. He had one picture of one of the first P51 aircraft, and he said that he probably would have got into trouble if anyone had found out that he took that picture, because back then it was so new that it was still a secret.

The P38 (twin engine fighter) reminded me of a picture my dad had of a F82 twin mustang. That was also a powerful twin fighter, but not many were made. I think that was a night fighter that our side called the widow maker because of all the problems that were had with it, but I might be confusing that with the night fighter version of the P38. I know one of them was called the widow maker, and not because of the number of aircraft it shot down.
 
As to the best WWII fighter, wasn't it the top general of the German air-force who when he saw that the P51 aircrafts were able to stay with our bombers for the entire flight because of improvements, including drop tanks to extend the range, said something about the war was lost.
 
As to the best WWII fighter, wasn't it the top general of the German air-force who when he saw that the P51 aircrafts were able to stay with our bombers for the entire flight because of improvements, including drop tanks to extend the range, said something about the war was lost.
Good plane the P51, and a US logistics machine that just destroyed the Germans.
 
Good plane the P51, and a US logistics machine that just destroyed the Germans.


Exactly right ^^^™

And let's not forget....

The US ability to make oil, fuel, and diesel for our equipment made a HUGE difference too. The Germans had huge problems with lack of fuel and we never had that problem. So did the Japanese.
 
Americans out-octaned the Germans as well with avgas 40-50 octane higher than the best that Germans could make. Which lead to better American fighter piston engine performance.
Jet engines would remove that octane need, but as we know, too little to late for the WW2 German jet's.
 
Exactly right ^^^™

And let's not forget....

The US ability to make oil, fuel, and diesel for our equipment made a HUGE difference too. The Germans had huge problems with lack of fuel and we never had that problem. So did the Japanese.

The Germans were liquifying coal. It wasn’t a terribly efficient process because of the sheer amount of energy to make it, but it made reasonably high quality liquid fuels. But total carbon output was hardly a concern for them during a war (or the 1940s).
 
The P-38 is my favorite warbird, ever since I first saw one in a book as a kid, but I've never seen one in person. Airworthy models are extremely rare today.
I have 0.7 hours of flight instruction in the P-51C, including light acro, the most cherished entry in my logbook. Just remembering that brings a big smile to my face.
I've done serious acro in the AT-6, but only as a passenger.

These aircraft are very challenging to fly. Heavy taildraggers, complex, high performance, unforgiving with thin margins, and the danger is belied by the smooth, responsive sense of confidence they inspire. When you have the stick you have a tiger by the tail. Only about 1/3 of these pilots and aircraft that were lost in action, were in combat. More than half the losses were in accidents training, relocation, etc.
 
I've got a piston from an Allison V-1710 that my Dad gave me. He was a co-op General Motors Institute engineering student during the war and ran test cells for the engines. At the end of the war, they stopped production literally immediately. The guys in the plant grabbed the surplus pistons and used them as ash trays. My Dad used his for decades during his career at GM and brought it home and gave it to me when they banned smoking indoors. (He was a pipe smoker.) Anyway, he said that the line this piston came from was making a run of engines for P-38's when production stopped. So I have a Lightning piston!

I haven't bothered to to it yet, but I need to clean that thing up and put it in my office. It'll be a helluva conversation piece. And my office is within a mile or so of the plant where the engines were assembled, which is now Rolls Royce.

My Dad always loved the P-38. He loved all the planes that used the Allison engines, but I think the P-38 was the one closest to his heart, as I remember all conversations.

There is a great story out there about how Charles Lindberg flew unauthorized combat missions in the Lightning. He was consulting and developing ways to extend the range through creating new procedures for the proper mixture/altitude/throttle settings. I believe he fairly dramatically extended the range and his settings defied conventional engineering wisdom of the day. The figure 30% stands out in my head, but I might be off on that one. I'll try to find the source and will post it when I do.

Funny how this aircraft seemed, at least with us, to have a better reputation in the Pacific than it did in Europe. But the Germans seemed to respect it, which is what really matters. I suspect anyone would love the idea of 2 engines when covering vast expanses of the Pacific and knowing that your place on the shark menu awaits you down below should you have to ditch.

I also think that the nose location of the weapons would give some advantage, too, as well as what appears to be outstanding rearward visibility. Although I'd try to avoid any kind of turning engagement if I were driving a P-38.

I heard one Lighting pilot and veteran say about the aircraft: "It climbed like a homesick angel!"

Lol, let's hear more P-38 stories! There have to be some truly great ones out there!
 
If the P-38 was so great, why did Frank Sinatra get shot down? Okay, that was Von Ryan's Express, great book, great movie. Didja know the flight jacket Sinatra wore in Von Ryan's Express was the same flight jacket Bob Crane wore in Hogan's Heroes?
 
... Charles Lindberg ... was consulting and developing ways to extend the range through creating new procedures for the proper mixture/altitude/throttle settings. I believe he fairly dramatically extended the range and his settings defied conventional engineering wisdom of the day. ...
Correct. Lindberg explored what is now known as lean of peak engine operations for piston engines. Lots of detail on this in literature, and on YouTube especially Mike Busch's channel.
 
Correct. Lindberg explored what is now known as lean of peak engine operations for piston engines. Lots of detail on this in literature, and on YouTube especially Mike Busch's channel.
Also, funny how Lindberg the pacifist worked so hard to sneak into in a little combat!
 
I keep on thinking of the video game 1942. Always felt kind of weird that a Japanese company would create a game where the object is to destroy Japanese targets. I would have thought that they would have stayed away from it.

 
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