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[javacontour]

Yet he's not president of Europe, he's president of the United States. At the end of the day, he answers not to Europeans, but the citizens of the US.

He's done some things with which I agree. Sending in the team to get OBL is in the plus column. On the negative side of the ledger, forcing a federal solution on problems that should be solved in families or at the state and local level such as heath care, and then calling it "affordable" when it does notthing to actually cut costs, but instead taxes one class of people to buy the votes of another is a fail, regardless what Europeans think.

I recall while I was in Italy being asked if I was an Obama fan. I said not really. I'm more of a Reagan and the first Bush fan. I didn't find many who disagreed.

Reagan didn't take a guff from the Eastern Block and Bush 41 was able to put together the global coalition to oust the Iraqis from Kuwait AND knew when to get out.

We've not had leadership of that caliber since.

I admit, Europeans may have a more accurate view of US leaders than we have of European leaders. However, Boris Johnson never ceases to make me chuckle

Originally Posted By: McGowen
From a European perspective, we consider him a success both for the American people and the world.

He inherited Bush's economic and financial crisis which was the biggest since the great depression. US economic growth and employment are way way better than Europe. We are definitely envious over here.

He has made healthcare universal which we consider a basic human right.

He killed Bin Laden when Bush let him get away.

He's not invading countries that were not a threat to the West. British troops are now back home.

There are certainly some negatives, but like I said, overall it is insignificant compared to the previous imbecile.

 

[MolaKule]

Originally Posted By: McGowen
Your post is riddled with logical fallacies.

1) If Clinton didn't get BL, it doesn't mean that Bush's failure to get him is lessened. Indeed, it was worse because when Bush was your commander in chief, he had troops on the ground.

If anything, you have validated your current president's success in doing what two of his predecessors failed to do.

2) Iraq was not the enemy of the west when Bush invaded. The scenarios you claim you need to choose between simply did not exist when that choice was made. The country that did and continues to produce the vast majority of terrorists that have attacked the west is Saudi Arabia, a country with whom the Bush family have a special relationship.

3) In terms of letting the military loose, beyond your own laws, well it's already happened. If you advocate making it policy and changing the rules of engagement, then you should be specific and be prepared to defend all the consequences to your country of committing war crimes.

4) Many of the things you claim about healthcare are not true. People were turned away, people with pre existing conditions were unable to get insurance and the number one cause of personal bankruptcy in the US was because of healthcare bills. We find it sad that so many Americans lack compassion for their fellow man.


Your post shows that you, like other left-wing radical internationalists, spew incorrect information and believe your own propaganda.

Did or did not former Pres. Clinton fail to kill OBL? If Clinton failed to kill OBL, then there is no logical fallacy.

Do you even know the difference between a logical fallacy and a statement of fact?

We have only had four recent presidents with scrot to call any enemy what it is and oppose that enemy, and those were Presidents Reagan, Bushs', and Kennedy.

 

[kozanoglu]

Clinton helped Osama and nurtured his terror network which was germinated by Reagan as bulwark to Communist invasion. The USS Cole was attacked on Jan 12,2000. How long did he stay in power after that?

He did try to bomb Sudan and 'narrowly missed' Osama.

 

[andrewg]

McGowan is certainly posting some fairly inflammatory and inaccurate posts. His opinions are awfully....well...."opinionated"...especially for a European foolishly thinking they can speak with authority when it comes to the mess they have over there. I think Germany is about the only nation not sinking into a sewer.

He seems to feel that he speaks for the entire continent. I guess he doesn't realize that historically, Americans don't care what Europeans think about us very much. We never have.

Thank you Javacontour for the great comment about Reagan. We've not had a real leader since...in my opinion. He made us proud to be Americans. He was able to garner support and admiration from from both sides of the isle as well.

I sure miss him....

 

[javacontour]

Which reminds me of the Federal Government shutdowns while Reagan was in office.

Tip O'Neil(D) gave Reagan(R) a shutdown nearly every year. Yet it wasn't the "sky is falling" event it is when the other party holds the legislature.

As someone said earlier, politics is like rooting for your sports team.

Only the politicians don't wear patches indicating their sponsors

Originally Posted By: andrewg
McGowan is certainly posting some fairly inflammatory and inaccurate posts. His opinions are awfully....well...."opinionated"...especially for a European foolishly thinking they can speak with authority when it comes to the mess they have over there. I think Germany is about the only nation not sinking into a sewer.

He seems to feel that he speaks for the entire continent. I guess he doesn't realize that historically, Americans don't care what Europeans think about us very much. We never have.

Thank you Javacontour for the great comment about Reagan. We've not had a real leader since...in my opinion. He made us proud to be Americans. He was able to garner support and admiration from from both sides of the isle as well.

I sure miss him....

 

[Thermo1223]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: McGowen
Your post is riddled with logical fallacies.


And yours is riddled with pure distortion and outright fallacies. They fed you and you ate it right up.

taste good?


Except the bit about healthcare right? Because is exactly how it was...or is to some point.

People had no choice, now they do much to the chagrin of the insurance companies.

 

[CKN]

Originally Posted By: McGowen
Your post is riddled with logical fallacies.

1) If Clinton didn't get BL, it doesn't mean that Bush's failure to get him is lessened. Indeed, it was worse because when Bush was your commander in chief, he had troops on the ground.

If anything, you have validated your current president's success in doing what two of his predecessors failed to do.

2) Iraq was not the enemy of the west when Bush invaded. The scenarios you claim you need to choose between simply did not exist when that choice was made. The country that did and continues to produce the vast majority of terrorists that have attacked the west is Saudi Arabia, a country with whom the Bush family have a special relationship.

3) In terms of letting the military loose, beyond your own laws, well it's already happened. If you advocate making it policy and changing the rules of engagement, then you should be specific and be prepared to defend all the consequences to your country of committing war crimes.

4) Many of the things you claim about healthcare are not true. People were turned away, people with pre existing conditions were unable to get insurance and the number one cause of personal bankruptcy in the US was because of healthcare bills. We find it sad that so many Americans lack compassion for their fellow man.


Good post generally. With regards to one of your points. I take a very,very small amount of blood pressure medicine. It's a 25mg. tablet CUT IN HALF and one half is taken in the morning and one half tablet is taken at bedtime. My blood pressure has been excellent the last three checkups. With that being said-before ACA I was unable to get AFFORDABLE health insurance. My last pre ACA health bill was $800.00/month for coverage. The ACA is still not cheap-but I am saving a little over $300.00/month. It should be noted I did not go with the cheapest ACA plan. It's easy to get Health Coverage before ACA if you are totally healthy or don't know you something like high blood pressure and don't go in for regular Health checkups.

That was the biggest fault with the system before ACA-don't go in for regular health checkups even tho you could be a walking time bomb, but your health insurance would be less than someone who has a CONTROLLED PRE-EXISTING CONDITION.

 

[Thermo1223]

Edit:

Except the bit about healthcare right? Because is exactly how it was...or is to some point.

People had no choice, now they do much to the chagrin of the insurance companies.

Building on that it was not solved at the state/local/family level. How do you tell your son or daughter college is off because of your heart surgery? Cancer treatment?

How do you tell a child that their preexisting condition is not covered and can just roll over and die?

Quite frankly I hate welfare surfers just as much as the next person but it isn't about that system or free cellphones(Obamaphone) which was signed into law way before he took office.

I'll agree I am not a fan of many of any past & present actions of any president. I actually think the middle east with regards to ISIS should be made into a glass parking lot. Total and complete destruction, if anyone else doesn't like it, tough. Try and make us not do it.

The system as a whole is run by two stubborn and thick-headed sides that refuse to even acknowledge the others claim to exist.

It will eventually either reboot and maybe states will flip again or just crash altogether...

 

[Win]

Originally Posted By: McGowen
Being an outsider to America, I'm not biased (at least not in the same way).

Your current president is a genius compared to the retard he replaced. The rest of the world collectively sighed their relief when Bush left office. It's unfathomable outside of the US why the choice is even close.

We put Bush Jr in his own special category where he is joined by intellectual giants such as Dan Quayle ("Po-ta-toe") and Sarah Palin.


Please feel free to take Mr. Obama off our hands. His special type of intellect is probably better suited to your country than ours.

 

[refaller]

We are a democracy. He won. That's how it has worked for 200 plus years now.

ref

 

[3311]

Originally Posted By: refaller
We are a democracy. He won. That's how it has worked for 200 plus years now.

ref

We are actually a republic.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: Thermo1223
Edit:
Except the bit about healthcare right? Because is exactly how it was...or is to some point.

People had no choice, now they do much to the chagrin of the insurance companies.


You missed one thing. Our current healthcare "idea" was structured and written by the insurance companies! They are the biggest beneficiaries of the government takeover...

 

[Shannow]

Talking from an Oz perspective, it's the medical "professionals" who are on the exponential cost march, in spite of killing more people than the road toll.

They argued that litigation was the reason for the cost increase, and got Tort reform...can't take a doctor's house, he can take the forceps that he left behind back out, and it's considered "square" legally...no pain and suffering.

The costs still climbed, at exactly the same rate.

Which the insurance companies then use to justify their 3* inflation premium increases...they love the system...constructed by a Conservative Govt, that they were hand in fist with.

 

[Win]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
....

Which the insurance companies then use to justify their 3* inflation premium increases...they love the system...constructed by a Conservative Govt, that they were hand in fist with.


Interesting.

Our premiums have also tripled in a short span of time. In fairness, we've aged, and added an infant, so I know that increases the risk and cost, but I personally believe the bulk of the cost increase is due to a leftist government, that thinks it can make better personal choices than I can make for myself, and has severely restricted my ability to do so.

The U.S., unfortunately, is fast becoming a nation of toothless lard bottoms. Around here, even the illegals are morbidly obese. It's just appalling. There will never be enough money for healthcare when so many people just don't seem to give a rats rear end about their own health.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: Shannow
....

Which the insurance companies then use to justify their 3* inflation premium increases...they love the system...constructed by a Conservative Govt, that they were hand in fist with.


Interesting.


Thought I might expand on the evolution of the Oz system.

Originally, it was a socialised system, coming out of the tax base (was 8% roughly of tax dollar spend), with optional private insurance (would get you a private room, bottle of champagne, reimburse you if the hospital didn't have a private room, and guarantee that you jumped the waiting list).

The liberals (labor) ran a smear campaign on expenses and brought in a 1% "Medicare levy", which has expanded to 1.5%, and swelled for health inititatives like the gun buyback.

Conservatives then ran a campaign that expenditure was like 8 times the levy, and thus beyond the country's means (entire stunt is a three card trick), and introduced compulsory private insurance...and offered a 30% rebate against the premiums.

But being conservatives, they offer that this is optional, however if you DON'T have an approved private insurer:
* You pay an additional (1-1/2) percentage tax...sorry, Medicare levy; and
* every year that you don't have approved insurance, your premiums increase by 2% when you DO go to get it.

Companies have to apply for more than CPI premium increases, and usually get 6-7%.

They love it.

Productivity Commission has argued that the policies should be bare bones, and not cover cosmetic, gym fees etc...but the Conservatives and Insurers keep those in to make their product more attractive, making cosmetic virtually socialised across the insurance pool.

We've got "silver" cover, doesn't do dental (gold only offers half back anyway, we'll save for my daughter's braces), hips, knees, and cataracts. $280/month (400 without rebate)

5 minute consult with a GP is $60, you get $27 back from medicare, and eat the balance.

 

[Blaze]

Originally Posted By: Shannow


Which the insurance companies then use to justify their 3* inflation premium increases...they love the system...constructed by a Conservative Govt, that they were hand in fist with.


Nope, actually the scam was devised by both democrats, republicans, big pharma, insurance industry, lobbiest, hospitals and anything else related to healthcare and timed "$$ perfectly $$" when the baby boomers hit with all their healthcare needs.