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#3460246 - 08/20/14 11:45 AM Re: Pennzoil HM vs Mobil Super HM? [Re: lukejo]
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Originally Posted By: lukejo
I read that some HM oils are on the thicker end of the scale within grade. Is there a difference in thickness between these two HM oils (or VML for that matter) in 5w30?


between the oils in the OP, the PNZL is a BIT heavier....
you can verify his with the oils TDS in the links above.
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#3460289 - 08/20/14 12:19 PM Re: Pennzoil HM vs Mobil Super HM? [Re: lukejo]
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Another vote for the Pennzoil HM... it completely stopped a leak in an old Accord I service.
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#3460810 - 08/20/14 09:46 PM Re: Pennzoil HM vs Mobil Super HM? [Re: lukejo]
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According to the Mobil Super HM bottle it is a full syn.

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#3460919 - 08/21/14 02:53 AM Re: Pennzoil HM vs Mobil Super HM? [Re: motorguy222]
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Originally Posted By: motorguy222
According to the Mobil Super HM bottle it is a full syn.


I only see blend, and even that is hard to find. Only seen on the back of the jug where they compare their own oils in a diagram. M1 HM is full syn, MS HM says blend.
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#3460960 - 08/21/14 06:13 AM Re: Pennzoil HM vs Mobil Super HM? [Re: wemay]
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Is there any indication that the P HM is a blend as well? Seems to me it is PYB with the addition of seal conditioners....which is fine, just curious as I compare/contrast these two.

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#3460988 - 08/21/14 07:01 AM Re: Pennzoil HM vs Mobil Super HM? [Re: lukejo]
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Originally Posted By: lukejo
Is there any indication that the P HM is a blend as well? Seems to me it is PYB with the addition of seal conditioners....which is fine, just curious as I compare/contrast these two.


Yes, PHM is a great conventional.
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#3461153 - 08/21/14 10:23 AM Re: Pennzoil HM vs Mobil Super HM? [Re: 147_Grain]
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Originally Posted By: 147_Grain
For comparison, here's some specs on Valvoline Maxlife's HM version:

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/maxlife.pdf

I see the Noack % number is lower in the VML 5W30 than is in the 5W20. Isn't an oil with a lower Noack % number better for an engine? And, being it is a 5W30, wouldn't it suffice in an engine spec'd 5W20?
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#3461215 - 08/21/14 11:44 AM Re: Pennzoil HM vs Mobil Super HM? [Re: lukejo]
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Them MS product is simply going to outperform the Penzoil. For a GOOD high mileage oil, consider Mobil 1 High Mileage.
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#3461339 - 08/21/14 01:34 PM Re: Pennzoil HM vs Mobil Super HM? [Re: sshimp]
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Originally Posted By: sshimp
Them MS product is simply going to outperform the Penzoil.


Nope.
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#3461825 - 08/21/14 09:00 PM Re: Pennzoil HM vs Mobil Super HM? [Re: wemay]
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Originally Posted By: wemay
Originally Posted By: motorguy222
According to the Mobil Super HM bottle it is a full syn.


I only see blend, and even that is hard to find. Only seen on the back of the jug where they compare their own oils in a diagram. M1 HM is full syn, MS HM says blend.


I have been using the MSHM for some time and have some of the quart bottles and the say that it is a full syn. on the back in the comparison chart.

The qt. bottles are now a more silver color, more the color of the Mobil Super Synthetic instead of the more gray color they used to be.

The 5qt. jugs have also had a slight label change on the front and back both.

I have 5W-30,10W-30 and 10W-40 qt. bottles of the MSHM on hand(some empty) and they all say "Full Synthetic" on the back, I just checked to make sure.

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#3461832 - 08/21/14 09:06 PM Re: Pennzoil HM vs Mobil Super HM? [Re: lukejo]
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#3461863 - 08/21/14 09:32 PM Re: Pennzoil HM vs Mobil Super HM? [Re: dave1251]
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I have the bottles, the website has not been updated.

Go to WM and look at the bottles. They are silver in color, not the darker gray.And since it is a full syn. the front and back labels have been changed.

The back label plainly says "Full Synthetic" under the MSHM bottle in the copmarison chart. I am holding one of the bottles in my hand right now.

The chart has a "Mobil Super" on the left, the "MSHM" in the middle and "Advanced Full Synthetic" on the right and the MSHM says Full Synthetic.

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#3461864 - 08/21/14 09:32 PM Re: Pennzoil HM vs Mobil Super HM? [Re: dave1251]
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Yeah that's what I thought too.

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_Super_High_Mileage.aspx

Mobil Super High Mileage uses a combination of synthetic and conventional high quality base oils...

They could make the webpage that you linked to a heck of a lot more clear about this.

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#3461868 - 08/21/14 09:38 PM Re: Pennzoil HM vs Mobil Super HM? [Re: babbittd]
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The website has not been updated, I have the bottles.

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#3461878 - 08/21/14 09:49 PM Re: Pennzoil HM vs Mobil Super HM? [Re: lukejo]
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I'm a little slow on the uptake, so motorguy222, what you're saying is that the Mobil Super High Mileage USED to be made from conventional only?

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