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#3452660 - 08/11/14 06:10 PM Re: Phone Call With Wix and Learned Some Things... [Re: daman]
stickybuns Offline


Registered: 07/04/14
Posts: 119
Loc: texas
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: stickybuns
Wish Wix would put that filter media in car oil filters. Great numbers, best I've ever seen in fact, except for MicroGreen car oil filters.

I'm hoping that's what they make the NAPA Platinum out of.


Wix XP and NAPA Platinum (same oil filter) have about the worst efficiency of anything.
They are 50% @ 20 microns. Not good at all.
Compare that to Fram TG = 99%@20 and Fram Ultra the same. Ultra holds more though.

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#3452803 - 08/11/14 07:54 PM Re: Phone Call With Wix and Learned Some Things... [Re: stickybuns]
daman Offline


Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 10490
Loc: Bad Axe, MI
Originally Posted By: stickybuns
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: stickybuns
Wish Wix would put that filter media in car oil filters. Great numbers, best I've ever seen in fact, except for MicroGreen car oil filters.

I'm hoping that's what they make the NAPA Platinum out of.


Wix XP and NAPA Platinum (same oil filter) have about the worst efficiency of anything.
They are 50% @ 20 microns. Not good at all.
Compare that to Fram TG = 99%@20 and Fram Ultra the same. Ultra holds more though.

But we don't know this for sure, there's no documented proof that I know of Just speculation.
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#3452804 - 08/11/14 07:56 PM Re: Phone Call With Wix and Learned Some Things... [Re: daman]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 7593
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: stickybuns
Originally Posted By: daman
Originally Posted By: stickybuns
Wish Wix would put that filter media in car oil filters. Great numbers, best I've ever seen in fact, except for MicroGreen car oil filters.

I'm hoping that's what they make the NAPA Platinum out of.


Wix XP and NAPA Platinum (same oil filter) have about the worst efficiency of anything.
They are 50% @ 20 microns. Not good at all.
Compare that to Fram TG = 99%@20 and Fram Ultra the same. Ultra holds more though.

But we don't know this for sure, there's no documented proof that I know of Just speculation.


Sure it's documented. Go look up a WIX XP for your car on WIX's website, and look at the listed beta ratio.

Example:
http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDetails.aspx?Part=51042XP

Beta Ratio: B2=20 ... means 50% @ 20 microns.

Also, many here have called WIX Tech line to verify if 50% @ 20 microns is accurate, and the guys at WIX say yes it is.

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#3452823 - 08/11/14 08:12 PM Re: Phone Call With Wix and Learned Some Things... [Re: badtlc]
daman Offline


Registered: 09/23/06
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I'm talking about the NP,,show me a link with that info.
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#3452837 - 08/11/14 08:20 PM Re: Phone Call With Wix and Learned Some Things... [Re: daman]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
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Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: daman
I'm talking about the NP,,show me a link with that info.


Since regular WIX and NAPA Golds claim the same media & efficiency, then the same logic should hold true for NAPA Platinum and WIX XP. Maybe you can call/email NAPA and ask the question, or call WIX and ask if the media is the same in the NAPA Platinum.

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#3453155 - 08/12/14 07:48 AM Re: Phone Call With Wix and Learned Some Things... [Re: ZeeOSix]
badtlc Offline


Registered: 06/08/06
Posts: 3885
Loc: KC
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: badtlc

I have only seen efficiencies for the Ultra, nothing else.


Go to the Fram website and it lists the efficiency for all their filters.

Originally Posted By: badtlc
And the Ultras for my 2 applications DO NOT have the capacity for 15k based on Fram's published data. They probably aren't 99% efficient either.


Where are you looking to conclude this?


The Fram website. You can look up specific filters for your vehicle, FYI. I guess some don't know about that feature.

Your statements about their filter lines are just in general. All of their products are not the same. You need to lookup specific filters to see what it is rated for in your application.

Just going by Fram's general data, the TG is 99% too. Why is everyone spending money on the Ultra?
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#3453323 - 08/12/14 10:39 AM Re: Phone Call With Wix and Learned Some Things... [Re: badtlc]
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Registered: 09/02/08
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Loc: midwest
So what's the takeaway for the non-technically inclined reader? Specifically, is the Wix 57002/Napa/Carquest filter the one to use if the OEM Mazda one is unavailable?

If not, what's a better filter to use? And does it matter if it's made specifically for the Skyactiv engine or not?

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#3453330 - 08/12/14 10:46 AM Re: Phone Call With Wix and Learned Some Things... [Re: jdeare]
route66mike Offline


Registered: 07/09/14
Posts: 147
Loc: Ft. Collins
Originally Posted By: jdeare
So what's the takeaway for the non-technically inclined reader? Specifically, is the Wix 57002/Napa/Carquest filter the one to use if the OEM Mazda one is unavailable?

If not, what's a better filter to use? And does it matter if it's made specifically for the Skyactiv engine or not?


Choose Fram Ultra first. If you can't find or don't want that one, choose Fram ToughGuard as a second choice. If you don't like Fram because of whatever reason you might have, then go for Wix or Nap-Gold. This is all because of published/known performance data. Silicon adbvs in those too, pick that.

There is nothing about the Skyactiv engine that would exclude any Fram or Wix-NAPA gold filter.

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#3453331 - 08/12/14 10:47 AM Re: Phone Call With Wix and Learned Some Things... [Re: jdeare]
badtlc Offline


Registered: 06/08/06
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Loc: KC
Originally Posted By: jdeare
So what's the takeaway for the non-technically inclined reader? Specifically, is the Wix 57002/Napa/Carquest filter the one to use if the OEM Mazda one is unavailable?

If not, what's a better filter to use? And does it matter if it's made specifically for the Skyactiv engine or not?


In general, Wix's filters will be as good or better than the OEM part.

For the Mazda, 57002 is just as good as the OEM but you know what you are getting with the Wix (95% @ 20u) but at least at my dealer, the OEM filter is around $6.60 and a couple dollars cheaper than the 57002.
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#3453348 - 08/12/14 11:00 AM Re: Phone Call With Wix and Learned Some Things... [Re: badtlc]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
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Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: badtlc

Your statements about their filter lines are just in general. All of their products are not the same. You need to lookup specific filters to see what it is rated for in your application.


Can you give a link to an example. When I look up a filter for a specific vehicle, I don't see any efficiency info at all.
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#3453429 - 08/12/14 12:16 PM Re: Phone Call With Wix and Learned Some Things... [Re: badtlc]
badtlc Offline


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Just look at a 2007 Escape XLS. The ultra specifically says 10k, not 15k. Actually, the same is true for my mazda, too.
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#3453463 - 08/12/14 12:38 PM Re: Phone Call With Wix and Learned Some Things... [Re: badtlc]
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Registered: 08/05/11
Posts: 674
Loc: Southeast Michigan
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Just look at a 2007 Escape XLS. The ultra specifically says 10k, not 15k. Actually, the same is true for my mazda, too.

Looked at the XG3600, which is the longer version of the XG3614 used on the Escape. It, too, states 10k mile service.
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#3453562 - 08/12/14 01:42 PM Re: Phone Call With Wix and Learned Some Things... [Re: leeharvey418]
Nate1979 Offline


Registered: 04/08/13
Posts: 656
Loc: Portland, OR
Originally Posted By: leeharvey418
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Just look at a 2007 Escape XLS. The ultra specifically says 10k, not 15k. Actually, the same is true for my mazda, too.

Looked at the XG3600, which is the longer version of the XG3614 used on the Escape. It, too, states 10k mile service.


Are you referencing the pop-up that says this:
Xtended Guard (XG)

10k Mile Engine Protection

Specially engineered filtering media reinforced in two plies and reinforced with a metal screen provides up to 10k miles of engine protection.
High Capacity - traps and holds more than double the dirt of leading economy oil filters average.

The problem is this is the old Xtended Guard (XG) version, not the Ultra. The website is bad about this and I would suggest confirming it by looking at the box in the store, not the Fram website. Even when searching the web, like on Amazon you get widely different results on the specs depending on if they are referencing the old Xtended Guard or the new Ultra - it is really confusing.


Edited by Nate1979 (08/12/14 01:43 PM)
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#3453585 - 08/12/14 02:02 PM Re: Phone Call With Wix and Learned Some Things... [Re: badtlc]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 7593
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: badtlc
Just look at a 2007 Escape XLS. The ultra specifically says 10k, not 15k. Actually, the same is true for my mazda, too.


That has nothing to do with the efficiency rating. I though you were talking about efficiency, not use mileage rating. As said above, those pop-ups are erroneously referencing the old "Xtended Guard" specs.

If you want to see the more accurate specs on Fram's filters you should be looking at this:

http://www.fram.com/oil-filters/all-oil-filters.aspx

Fram IT guys need to update the website to show the correct pop-up info for the Ultra line of filters. I haven't checked, but the TG pop-ups might not match the current TG specs either.

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#3453608 - 08/12/14 02:26 PM Re: Phone Call With Wix and Learned Some Things... [Re: ZeeOSix]
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Registered: 08/05/11
Posts: 674
Loc: Southeast Michigan
If the filter-specific popup says 15k, then I'll believe 15k.

When they put the famous weasel words 'up to' in the description, it tells me that some models in some applications might be good for that length of service, but it doesn't give me a warm fuzzy about every application.
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