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#3434787 - Today at 09:23 PM Recalls & more recalls. Cars are now too complex!
antiqueshell Offline


Registered: 03/02/12
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Loc: chicago, Illinois
With all the massive recalls going on now, I'm surprised that more folks haven't started to realize the obvious..that cars have reached the point of being too complex for their own good, now for small production items that can transport large amounts of people (eg. planes) it might be manageable for companies to deal with this and still make a profit and satisfy customers, but with the car being a mass market consumer item it looks like that is increasingly not going to be sustainable, even FIAT CEO Marchionne says that the cost of all these recalls will be passed on to the customer in the end.

We are at the point of dimishing returns when it comes to safety, emissions, and practicality.

The sweet spot was probably the mid 80s - mid 90s or so when the auto industry had, in general very good reliability, affordability, ease of service, and reasonable safety and emissions standards.

I for one would LOVE to be able to buy a brand new MK I or II
VW Golf GTI, 1980s-1990s Honda Accord or Civic, ect.

I for one would LOVE to be able to buy

I'd love to see the car companies reverse course and build some more basic, simple, and more affordable cars, that might match the

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#3434796 - Today at 09:36 PM Re: Recalls & more recalls. Cars are now too complex! [Re: antiqueshell]
GreeCguy Offline


Registered: 03/21/05
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Loc: Elderly County, Florida
Yes and amen! It's one reason I keep the Bluesmobile and Thunder the Wonder Pig on the road, (93 Ford Taurus and 95 Oldsmobile).

I really wish I would have kept my 93 Geo Metro.
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#3434799 - Today at 09:37 PM Re: Recalls & more recalls. Cars are now too complex! [Re: antiqueshell]
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Registered: 02/23/09
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Loc: Michigan
I kinda agree with that...my

2003 Cavalier (holdover from the 90s) - No recalls

2006 Cobalt : 3 recalls already...



Simple is quite often better, just not as fun...
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#3434806 - 55 minutes 50 seconds ago Re: Recalls & more recalls. Cars are now too complex! [Re: antiqueshell]
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Registered: 12/08/10
Posts: 375
Loc: SF Bay Area, CA
I wonder how many silent/stealth warranty extensions or TSBs have been upgraded to recalls.
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#3434808 - 51 minutes 35 seconds ago Re: Recalls & more recalls. Cars are now too complex! [Re: antiqueshell]
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Registered: 07/03/14
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There are a few basic cars out there ... like the Mitsubishi Mirage. That's one reason I bought it - it has a simple, basic, straightforward design.

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#3434817 - 43 minutes 49 seconds ago Re: Recalls & more recalls. Cars are now too complex! [Re: antiqueshell]
Robenstein Offline


Registered: 12/23/09
Posts: 3005
Loc: Central IA
My mid 80's Chevrolet was 15k then...if you adjust that for inflation it would cost 32,600. For a computer controlled carburated V8 that put out 180hp. No way I would pay that much money for it today as a new car. Now my early 90's buicks with the 3.8 engines were great cars.


Personally I think the issue is that car makers are really slacking on quality control and are cutting corners on materials in order to generate extra profit.


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#3434818 - 43 minutes 22 seconds ago Re: Recalls & more recalls. Cars are now too complex! [Re: antiqueshell]
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There's a good chance this is going to be my next car:



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#3434822 - 39 minutes 38 seconds ago Re: Recalls & more recalls. Cars are now too complex! [Re: antiqueshell]
HardbodyLoyalist Offline


Registered: 08/06/04
Posts: 650
Loc: Lower Alabama
It's not the complexity. It's the cost-cutting.

Engineers design many perfectly reliable systems, particularly after several iterations of the design cycle in response to field reports that identify the "weak spots."

But the engineers are always under pressure to tinker with an otherwise excellent design to bring the cost down by $0.05 per unit.

Do you really think that GM engineers didn't know how to design a reliable ignition switch?


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#3434830 - 26 minutes 7 seconds ago Re: Recalls & more recalls. Cars are now too complex! [Re: antiqueshell]
whip Offline


Registered: 03/03/05
Posts: 1444
Loc: ohio
The complex systems aren't the ones being recalled. It's the simple ones.

To those saying they'd love a more simple car, what car do you drive now?

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#3434838 - 6 minutes 33 seconds ago Re: Recalls & more recalls. Cars are now too complex! [Re: antiqueshell]
SHOZ Online   shocked


Registered: 06/28/03
Posts: 1545
Loc: Illinois
One of the recent GM recalls was for a coat hook not being welded on one side. That and the ignition switch. Nothing special about them. Just poor QC and execution.

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#3434839 - 5 minutes 47 seconds ago Re: Recalls & more recalls. Cars are now too complex! [Re: antiqueshell]
morris Online   content


Registered: 08/24/08
Posts: 3637
Loc: ks, wichita
with most / all the of the repair parts valuable for the cars of the late 60s. that might be a good way to go. even that i cant do my own repair any more i bet my mechanic would not mind working working a 1968 Road Runner. what think?

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#3434845 - 42 seconds ago Re: Recalls & more recalls. Cars are now too complex! [Re: HardbodyLoyalist]
ZeeOSix Offline


Registered: 07/22/10
Posts: 6664
Loc: PNW
Originally Posted By: HardbodyLoyalist
It's not the complexity. It's the cost-cutting.


Yes, that along with probably not putting enough time & emphasis on quality and testing for reliability. Yep, cut out some of that and they "think" they are saving beans. But guess what, when a big debacle like the ignition switch hits the fan they are gonna lose TONS of money.

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