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#3433255 - 07/23/14 11:49 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Proxyon]
chrisri Offline


Registered: 06/01/14
Posts: 323
Loc: Fiume,Croatia,EU
Originally Posted By: Proxyon
So are you actually telling me that there is a real benefit in choosing M1 ESP "fully synthetic" instead of M3000 x1 that you use for your wife's car? Better for the car? Better milage? Postponed need for oil change? Change it on every 20000 kms instead of 10k?

Well only if your Honda is spec'd for such oil. If Honda is spec'd for ACEA A3 then M1 0w40 is better version of Mobil 3000. What oil is spec'd for your car?
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#3433260 - 07/23/14 11:52 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Quattro Pete]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 1085
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: edyvw
If it is EU, use it with no issues.

That wasn't the question. The question was: was it worth the extra money compared to another M1 product?


Well, IDK, up to him.
I would say Honda spec 5W30 oil in the EU, not sure is it ACEA A1.
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#3433263 - 07/23/14 11:53 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Quattro Pete]
Proxyon Offline


Registered: 07/23/14
Posts: 10
Loc: Europe
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Proxyon
Because it was promoted in the German sites as "GREAT SYNTHETIC OIL" for both diesel and gasoline engines!

Sounds like great marketing. smile



Sounds like a real scam and legal money robbery!

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#3433265 - 07/23/14 11:55 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: edyvw]
Proxyon Offline


Registered: 07/23/14
Posts: 10
Loc: Europe
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Proxyon
Thank you for the prompt responses, guys.
Here is the deal, I bought this oil for my 2009 Honda Accord (Acura TSX in America), 2.0l gasoline engine. The point is that if I knew it was not fully synthetic I could have gone with Mobil Super 3000 5w40. Now comparing the Mobil1 ESP 5w30 "fully synthetic" with the other Mobil products (and other brands as well) I feel I have paid too much for something that is not worth the money. Correct me if I am wrong.

Where in Europe?
If it is EU, use it with no issues. What is oil change interval on that car?


10 000 kms or one year whatever comes first. That is under normal operating conditions.

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#3433276 - 07/23/14 12:00 PM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Quattro Pete]
Proxyon Offline


Registered: 07/23/14
Posts: 10
Loc: Europe
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: edyvw
If it is EU, use it with no issues.

That wasn't the question. The question was: was it worth the extra money compared to another M1 product?



Yeah. That was the question. Because I was offered M1 0w40 "fully synthetic" again for even higher price. Since Honda Accord/Acura TSX recommends 5w20 I was a little afraid to go with that thicker oil. However, in Germany where I bought the car from they put 5w40 oil (in Honda dealerships). The explanation: "Well, here in Germany people drive really harsh on the highways, so speeds like 160 km/h are not something uncommon. Your Honda will have better protection if you use 5w40 oil instead of lower viscosity."
So I decided to be somewhere between. Even though now is a summer, temperatures go 30+ Celsius and perhaps 5w40 would have been a better choice.


Edited by Proxyon (07/23/14 12:00 PM)

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#3433280 - 07/23/14 12:01 PM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Proxyon]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 1085
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Proxyon
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: Proxyon
Thank you for the prompt responses, guys.
Here is the deal, I bought this oil for my 2009 Honda Accord (Acura TSX in America), 2.0l gasoline engine. The point is that if I knew it was not fully synthetic I could have gone with Mobil Super 3000 5w40. Now comparing the Mobil1 ESP 5w30 "fully synthetic" with the other Mobil products (and other brands as well) I feel I have paid too much for something that is not worth the money. Correct me if I am wrong.

Where in Europe?
If it is EU, use it with no issues. What is oil change interval on that car?


10 000 kms or one year whatever comes first. That is under normal operating conditions.

You can use ESP with no issues for 10K. What country? That is important bcs of fuel.
Also, what oil is recommended for TSX?
Also, ESP is not only Group III. Do not get stuck on SHC. ESP has mix of base oils including Group V.
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#3433286 - 07/23/14 12:06 PM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: edyvw]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 25916
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Also, ESP is not only Group III. Do not get stuck on SHC. ESP has mix of base oils including Group V.

edy has a point here. Don't get hung up on the whole base oil classification (synthetic vs fake synthetic) because it doesn't mean much for the oil's actual performance. Focus on mfg specs that an oil meets. Do some more research and find out what your Honda calls for. You mentioned 5w-20, but that's just a grade. There is probably some more specs that go with it. Then choose an oil based on that. While those very high end M1 products won't hurt, they may just be unnecessary in your case and you could find a less costly oil that will do the job just fine.
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#3433348 - 07/23/14 01:10 PM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Quattro Pete]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 1085
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Also, ESP is not only Group III. Do not get stuck on SHC. ESP has mix of base oils including Group V.

edy has a point here. Don't get hung up on the whole base oil classification (synthetic vs fake synthetic) because it doesn't mean much for the oil's actual performance. Focus on mfg specs that an oil meets. Do some more research and find out what your Honda calls for. You mentioned 5w-20, but that's just a grade. There is probably some more specs that go with it. Then choose an oil based on that. While those very high end M1 products won't hurt, they may just be unnecessary in your case and you could find a less costly oil that will do the job just fine.

I took some time and went to German Mobil1 web site.
I made assumption that OP's Honda has 2.0 i-VTEC engine and base on Mobil1 recommendation, this oil should be used:
Mobil1 0W30 Fuel Economy

As second option, Mobil recommends Mobil Super 3000 X1 FE, but that is step back from 0W30.
Same oils are recommended for 2.4i engine.

If it is DTEC engine, then use ESP according to Mobil.
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#3433356 - 07/23/14 01:16 PM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: edyvw]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 25916
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: edyvw

I took some time and went to German Mobil1 web site.
I made assumption that OP's Honda has 2.0 i-VTEC engine and base on Mobil1 recommendation, this oil should be used:
Mobil1 0W30 Fuel Economy

As second option, Mobil recommends Mobil Super 3000 X1 FE, but that is step back from 0W30.

Thanks, so basically he needs an ACEA A1/A5 oil, in which case neither the ESP nor the Super 3000 5w-40 that he mentioned in his earlier post should be used.
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#3433362 - 07/23/14 01:21 PM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Quattro Pete]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 1085
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: edyvw

I took some time and went to German Mobil1 web site.
I made assumption that OP's Honda has 2.0 i-VTEC engine and base on Mobil1 recommendation, this oil should be used:
Mobil1 0W30 Fuel Economy

As second option, Mobil recommends Mobil Super 3000 X1 FE, but that is step back from 0W30.

Thanks, so basically he needs an ACEA A1/A5 oil, in which case neither the ESP nor the Super 3000 5w-40 that he mentioned in his earlier post should be used.


Yeah, I would go with 0W30.
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11' VW Tiguan 2.0T (M1 ESP 5W30+OEM Filter)

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#3433388 - 07/23/14 01:35 PM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: edyvw]
Proxyon Offline


Registered: 07/23/14
Posts: 10
Loc: Europe
Thank you guys for your detailed answers.
Last question: Since I've already bought the M1 ESP 5w30 oil (though I haven't put it on the engine yet), should I return it for 0w30 or this one time I could go with the ESP?

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#3433391 - 07/23/14 01:36 PM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Proxyon]
edyvw Offline


Registered: 03/08/12
Posts: 1085
Loc: Colorado Springs
Originally Posted By: Proxyon
Thank you guys for your detailed answers.
Last question: Since I've already bought the M1 ESP 5w30 oil (though I haven't put it on the engine yet), should I return it for 0w30 or this one time I could go with the ESP?

There is no damage to use ESP.
However, probably engine will feel sluggish a little, and consumption might go up.
Considering that you bought it on Amazon, I would return it and get 0W30.
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#3433414 - 07/23/14 01:49 PM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: Proxyon]
Quattro Pete Offline


Registered: 10/30/02
Posts: 25916
Loc: Michigan
Just use it. No big deal.
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#3433486 - 07/23/14 02:52 PM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: chrisri]
tig1 Offline


Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 9846
Loc: Illinois
Originally Posted By: chrisri
I'm using this Mobil Super 3000 x1 in wife's Punto, not a bad oil but M1 you bought is in a different league. M1 use some PAO in it's base oil even though it isn't full synthetic. If you want cheaper but great oil consider Shell helix ultra in the future.


All M1 badged oils are a blend of base stocks to produce a superior overall base. All M1 badged oils have a base of several formulas, such as Grp3+, PAO, easters and such. Here is a link on esters.

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Does_Mobil_1_Contain_Ester_Oil.aspx


Edited by tig1 (07/23/14 02:53 PM)
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#3437033 - 07/27/14 06:27 AM Re: Comparing two Mobil1 5w30 synthetic oils. [Re: tig1]
rossn2 Offline


Registered: 02/24/04
Posts: 332
Loc: Central Texas
Quote:
Hardly. ESP has a lower add pack to protect DPF, so it won't last in service any longer than full SAPS oil. If anything, it'll actually be spent sooner


Really? This is interesting due to the fact the ESP meets the new Ram 1500 Ecodiesel spec, and has to last 10k miles between oil changes..
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