Junk new parts and multiple part failures

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: crazyoildude
Must have been a defective design... Next time try oem there is little difference in price depending what relationship you have with the dealer


I would bet that part went NS1 a while ago on a 1990!

 

[artificialist]

I once had to deal with multiple NAPA water pumps on a 4900 Cadillac engine. They were all made in China, and 2 of them leaked from the front seal.

However, if Made in the USA really made the difference, Cadillac would have never invented certain engines in the 1980s!

Most rebuilt starters and alternators I encounter are really weak when rebuilt by someone other than the OEM. They could rebuild it anywhere, but they are all junk. I have known some people who are in their 60s who told me that at one time, there were good rebuilt alternators and starters from Napa and similar parts companies.

Some companies have an alternative to making things in China. They go to Malaysia, Thailand, or Singapore where people are paid better than they are in China, and the labor force is more skilled. GMB who makes water pumps and timing pulleys does this. Their stuff works!

Made in Germany doesn't exactly help either. Who was the loser at VW who decided to put plastic flanges in the cooling system? They all are a major weakness.

I guess I am trying to say build it right, and build it where you can't abuse your employees and the environment. I will gladly pay.

 

[dlundblad]

I bought a Hayden for my Jeep. I have yet to install it since Im still waiting on the fan. Hopefully it works for me.. I see this thread is a bit old. Hopefully they fixed the issue.

If it fails, ill return it and go to AZ. That one has a lifetime warranty too. I am closing in on my 30 days though. I would like to think if several fail me, they would just give me my money back.

 

[another Todd]

A plugged radiator core, or a radiator with blocked airflow can mimic a bad fan clutch. A plugged core doesn't allow enough hot water through for the fan clutch to sense the true temperature. Blocked airflow through the radiator also may not present enough heat for the fan clutch to detect. I rarely see bad parts, especially one after another.

 

[hattaresguy]

I don't buy aftermarket cheap parts anymore, every time I do I regret it.

Now I just try to score a good deal on OE or OEM.

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: another Todd
A plugged radiator core, or a radiator with blocked airflow can mimic a bad fan clutch. A plugged core doesn't allow enough hot water through for the fan clutch to sense the true temperature. Blocked airflow through the radiator also may not present enough heat for the fan clutch to detect. I rarely see bad parts, especially one after another.


I never would have thought of this. It really makes sense seeing how you had the same issue with 3 of the same product.

 

[Colt45ws]

I know this post is old when I see Gary Allan posted.

 

[PierreR]

I bought a new alternator for my 89 jeep cherokee last year.
When i got the new one it said "remanned in slovakia"
I got mad at the seller because i clearly said to him that i wanted a new one and not remannd junk.
He said it was just as good as a new one so i went to put it on. I knew something was wierd when i had to give it almost full throttle for it to begin to charge.
Then on the way to work it stopped charging and al the lights dimmed down, sterio died and almost the enginge, then it came back as nothing happend.

I took it of again and when back to the store where i bought it and told him exactly what i thought of this piece of **** that he sold to me...
I demanded a new one, this time a NEW new one and what do you know, it worked perfectly from the second i turned the key and untill i shut it of again.

I i wanted a remanned alternator i could do it my self by just replacing the parts that usually fails in any alternator.

 

[bdcardinal]

Originally Posted By: PierreR
I i wanted a remanned alternator i could do it my self by just replacing the parts that usually fails in any alternator.


There are some applications where a new part is not available. I get customers yelling at me all the time that the alternator or starter for their vehicle is reman. What is funny is when they want a "new" engine with a 12/12 warranty instead of a reman one with a 3year unlimited mile warranty.

 

[zzyzzx]

Originally Posted By: XS650
Originally Posted By: Chris142
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Buwhaaahaaaaaaaaa CHINA!!!!
Made in Corona, Ca.


China, Mexico, what's the difference

The Motorcraft parts made in Mexico are good quality. That's the difference.

 

[zzyzzx]

Originally Posted By: PierreR
I bought a new alternator for my 89 jeep cherokee last year.
When i got the new one it said "remanned in slovakia"
I got mad at the seller because i clearly said to him that i wanted a new one and not remannd junk.
He said it was just as good as a new one so i went to put it on. I knew something was wierd when i had to give it almost full throttle for it to begin to charge.
Then on the way to work it stopped charging and al the lights dimmed down, sterio died and almost the enginge, then it came back as nothing happend.

I took it of again and when back to the store where i bought it and told him exactly what i thought of this piece of **** that he sold to me...
I demanded a new one, this time a NEW new one and what do you know, it worked perfectly from the second i turned the key and untill i shut it of again.

I i wanted a remanned alternator i could do it my self by just replacing the parts that usually fails in any alternator.


The reason you bothered to install the reman one was????

 

[dlundblad]

Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
Originally Posted By: PierreR
I bought a new alternator for my 89 jeep cherokee last year.
When i got the new one it said "remanned in slovakia"
I got mad at the seller because i clearly said to him that i wanted a new one and not remannd junk.
He said it was just as good as a new one so i went to put it on. I knew something was wierd when i had to give it almost full throttle for it to begin to charge.
Then on the way to work it stopped charging and al the lights dimmed down, sterio died and almost the enginge, then it came back as nothing happend.

I took it of again and when back to the store where i bought it and told him exactly what i thought of this piece of **** that he sold to me...
I demanded a new one, this time a NEW new one and what do you know, it worked perfectly from the second i turned the key and untill i shut it of again.

I i wanted a remanned alternator i could do it my self by just replacing the parts that usually fails in any alternator.


The reason you bothered to install the reman one was????


I think the fact that it was remanufactured in lower slombodia is the issue.

 

[zzyzzx]

Originally Posted By: artificialist
Some companies have an alternative to making things in China. They go to Malaysia, Thailand, or Singapore where people are paid better than they are in China, and the labor force is more skilled. GMB who makes water pumps and timing pulleys does this. Their stuff works!


This is a GMB water pump:

 

[PierreR]

Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
Originally Posted By: PierreR
I bought a new alternator for my 89 jeep cherokee last year.
When i got the new one it said "remanned in slovakia"
I got mad at the seller because i clearly said to him that i wanted a new one and not remannd junk.
He said it was just as good as a new one so i went to put it on. I knew something was wierd when i had to give it almost full throttle for it to begin to charge.
Then on the way to work it stopped charging and al the lights dimmed down, sterio died and almost the enginge, then it came back as nothing happend.

I took it of again and when back to the store where i bought it and told him exactly what i thought of this piece of **** that he sold to me...
I demanded a new one, this time a NEW new one and what do you know, it worked perfectly from the second i turned the key and untill i shut it of again.

I i wanted a remanned alternator i could do it my self by just replacing the parts that usually fails in any alternator.


The reason you bothered to install the reman one was????


Because the old one that i had on it had died and i needed a new one as soon as possible.

 

[moklock]

Guide went bankrupt during the auto collapse in '08 or so. The GM replacements are Depo which is not usually worth the price premium over TYC etc.off the internet. Used is often best quality unfortunately.

 

[Rylan]

I never really sell my original parts back for core deposits. This goes for calipers, starters, alternators, CV axles, etc.
I'll usually keep them and rebuild at least once (it helps a lot that I live in the dry SW with no salt or rust), before exchanging. Have had good success if done properly and if original is still serviceable.
OEM rebuild kits are not very expensive to DIY; aftermarket is even cheaper option.

If I have to buy a part ASAP, I try to choose from US-based maker, or from a reputable company with warranty options. I've only ever had to personally exchange one defective remanned starter off a '00 Mazda. Original died, 1st replacement selenoid would engage but not spin, exchanged for a 2nd which worked perfectly. This was back when O'Reilly was called Checker near me.

 

[zzyzzx]

Originally Posted By: Kruse
Edit: Holy resurrected old post, Batman!
It's actually everybody's fault for buying parts based on price.
The new Hayden fan clutch that I put on my Jeep a couple of weekends ago works great, but I have noticed some bad replacement parts lately. I recently had an O2 sensor that failed within 5K miles and an oil pressure switch that failed with less than 2K miles on it.
I try to buy factory thermostats, O2 sensors and a few other items just because the aftermarket sells them on a price point, but the OEM parts were made good enough to make a customer happy.


What brand O2 sensor was that? I have never had a Bosch go bad, and have only used Bosch and Denso (and I would only use a Denso on a Toyota). I am currently using a Bosch O2 sensor that has ~130,000 miles in it.

 

[asand1]

Don't clutch fans disengage at high RPM for fuel economy. At 3,000 RPM you should be doing over 45MPH. 3,000 RPM in neutral is not a normal operation parameter. I submit that the clutch was fine and OP's understanding of the
System was wrong.

 

[MNgopher]

First off, again holy old post resurrection. Way back I'm posting about a vehicle I sold off 3+ years ago.

As to the previous post, given the OP's occupation and location, call it a hunch but he knows how a fan clutch is supposed to operate. A mechanical fan clutch will hook up regardless of speed if the temps flowing over it are warm enough to warrant it.

And to the post before that, I had a Bosch O2 sensor fail after 10,000 miles. The Denso o2 sensor that replaced it lasted till I sold the car, many miles later.

 

[Kruse]

Originally Posted By: zzyzzx

What brand O2 sensor was that? I have never had a Bosch go bad, and have only used Bosch and Denso (and I would only use a Denso on a Toyota). I am currently using a Bosch O2 sensor that has ~130,000 miles in it.


It was a house-branded sensor from a local auto parts store. I knew better than to buy it, but it was on my kid's Jeep and it was a Sunday afternoon when nobody-else-was-open type of repair.
I've never had a problem on a Denso or a Bosch either, despite what everybody else says about Bosch. The newest replacement O2 sensor on the Jeep was a Bosch and it's doing fine.