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#3322099 - 03/24/14 02:23 PM oil for mitsubishi pajero 2011 3.2 diesel.
n0mad Offline


Registered: 03/24/14
Posts: 23
Loc: Israel.
hi to all members, thank you for contributing your time and knowledge to this forum.

for the past week, i have learned that choosing the right engine oil, is difficult, and complex.

so i'm asking for your help.

i have 2011 mitsubishi pajero\montero\shogun 3.2 diesel.(200hp)

my warranty is over, so i want to change the oil+minor things on my own.
and to know that the oil i pay for, is the best for my engine, and not some 5w30 label oil in the dealership.


here's the manufacture spec's:

5w30
ACEA: A5\B5 A4\B4 A3\B3
API-CF4

ok, from what i have learned is:
A5\B5 is top line, combining of A1B1-A3B3-A4B4
CF4 is obsolete, CF is better.

here's where i find it difficult to choose, i have 2 systems(catalytic converter + DPF) on my car that need ACEA: C1, C2, C3.
+
a1b1 a3b3 a4b4

i looked at this brands: Royal purple(good for the engine, very bad for DPF & catalytic converter).
AMSOIL, Mobil1, Valvoline, Motul, Castrol, Liqui molly,.

so, i ask for your advice, what oil would be best, for my engine?


thank in advance.
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#3322155 - 03/24/14 03:14 PM Re: oil for mitsubishi pajero 2011 3.2 diesel. [Re: n0mad]
shDK Offline


Registered: 04/03/13
Posts: 551
Loc: Denmark
You find oils who both carry acea a5/b5 and acea c2, with are both HTHS below 3,5

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#3322158 - 03/24/14 03:17 PM Re: oil for mitsubishi pajero 2011 3.2 diesel. [Re: n0mad]
n0mad Offline


Registered: 03/24/14
Posts: 23
Loc: Israel.
can you please link me to valvoline or castrol 5w30 with those standards?(you can point to other quality brand)
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#3322165 - 03/24/14 03:26 PM Re: oil for mitsubishi pajero 2011 3.2 diesel. [Re: n0mad]
shDK Offline


Registered: 04/03/13
Posts: 551
Loc: Denmark
Originally Posted By: n0mad
can you please link me to valvoline or castrol 5w30 with those standards?(you can point to other quality brand)


Yes.. here you go

http://www.valvolineeurope.com/english/products/engine_oils/synpower_xtreme/cid(7726)/synpower_xtreme_env_c2_5w-30

Ofcourse I don,t know if you can buy it in Israel.

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#3322170 - 03/24/14 03:31 PM Re: oil for mitsubishi pajero 2011 3.2 diesel. [Re: n0mad]
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Registered: 04/03/13
Posts: 551
Loc: Denmark

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#3322172 - 03/24/14 03:35 PM Re: oil for mitsubishi pajero 2011 3.2 diesel. [Re: n0mad]
Shannow Online   content


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 27096
Loc: a prison island
CF-4 is better than CF, but API declare them both obsolete, so oils can be recommended for/tested against, but not certified for CF anymore.

For the HTHS, some of the oil companies are making oils spot on the 3.5 so that they claim that they just fall into the above 3.5 and below equal 3.5.

When the Japanese spec oils for their diesels, they often make the specs exclusive so that an oil can't quite meet what they are asking for.

Things that will suit your needs, give or take a spec or two

Castrol Magnatec Diesel C3
http://www.tds.castrol.com.au/pdf%5C8913_Magnatec_ProfessionalC3_5W-40_2009_06.pdf


Mobil Delvac 1 LE 5W-30
http://www.mobil.com/Lithuania-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENCVLMOMobil_Delvac_1_LE_5W-30.aspx
Mobil Delvac 1 ESP
http://www.mobil.com/Australia-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENCVLMOMobil_Delvac_1_ESP_5W-40.aspx

Mobil 1 0W-40
http://www.mobil.com/Australia-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_0W-40.aspx

I've run this in my Nissan (CF, B4, DPF)
http://www.tds.castrol.com.au/pdf/5009_Magnatec_Professional_5W-40_119398_2009_06.pdf

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#3322206 - 03/24/14 03:58 PM Re: oil for mitsubishi pajero 2011 3.2 diesel. [Re: shDK]
n0mad Offline


Registered: 03/24/14
Posts: 23
Loc: Israel.

that seems to be more fitting.
it's either that or the valvoline env c2.


Originally Posted By: Shannow
CF-4 is better than CF, but API declare them both obsolete, so oils can be recommended for/tested against, but not certified for CF anymore.
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I've run this in my Nissan (CF, B4, DPF)
http://www.tds.castrol.com.au/pdf/5009_Magnatec_Professional_5W-40_119398_2009_06.pdf

here's the place that told me cf is better than cf4:
http://wiki.seloc.org/a/Oil_Labelling_Explained

shannow, thank you, but no.

i need 5w30 u gave me w40, and i wouldn't dare go astray from oem spec.


this all race, after the perfect oil, is very Exhausting, and worrying, cause i afraid i might damage the engine after 3 4 thousand k.


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#3322264 - 03/24/14 05:23 PM Re: oil for mitsubishi pajero 2011 3.2 diesel. [Re: n0mad]
n0mad Offline


Registered: 03/24/14
Posts: 23
Loc: Israel.
guys look what i found!!
http://www.tds.castrol.com.au/pdf/9432_SLX_Professional_Powerflow%20C1%205W30_2009_10.pdf

you think it's better than the previous options?
(valvoline \ liquid moly)

thanks!
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#3322291 - 03/24/14 05:55 PM Re: oil for mitsubishi pajero 2011 3.2 diesel. [Re: n0mad]
Shannow Online   content


Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 27096
Loc: a prison island
Nope, HTHS is way below the 3.5 required for your A3/B4.

I mentioned the ealier oils, as Castrol (Australia) recommend
Edge 0W-40,
Magnatec Diesel 15W-40
Magnatec 10W-40

and Mobil (Australia)
M1 0W-40
X2 5W-40
S2 10W-40.

the 40s are recommended across the board generally.

Caltex C3 synthetic was a 5W-30 that advertised A3/B4, and C3, hanging on the 3.5 HTHS, but have been forced to drop the A3/B4.

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#3322663 - 03/25/14 01:31 AM Re: oil for mitsubishi pajero 2011 3.2 diesel. [Re: n0mad]
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Registered: 10/03/08
Posts: 3548
Loc: Kuwait
The Liqui Moly stuff is Low SAPS, are you using ULSD in this engine? Can you get Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30?
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#3322690 - 03/25/14 05:15 AM Re: oil for mitsubishi pajero 2011 3.2 diesel. [Re: Shannow]
n0mad Offline


Registered: 03/24/14
Posts: 23
Loc: Israel.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Nope, HTHS is way below the 3.5 required for your A3/B4.

I mentioned the ealier oils, as Castrol (Australia) recommend
Edge 0W-40,
Magnatec Diesel 15W-40
Magnatec 10W-40

and Mobil (Australia)
M1 0W-40
X2 5W-40
S2 10W-40.

the 40s are recommended across the board generally.

Caltex C3 synthetic was a 5W-30 that advertised A3/B4, and C3, hanging on the 3.5 HTHS, but have been forced to drop the A3/B4.


shannow, with all due respect, you are linking me to 5w40, and i need 5w30, thats what manufacture required, 5w40 could destroy my engine.(from what i have learned)
maybe in Australia the climate is different, otherwise, i have no idea why use 5w40 on 5w30 engine.

btw i need low HTHS, because anything with higher than 3.5 HTHS, is more of "heavy" oil, and could not lubricate my engine properly.(again, from what i have been told)

so i guess ENV c2 is the best for me.


Originally Posted By: Falcon_LS
The Liqui Moly stuff is Low SAPS, are you using ULSD in this engine? Can you get Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30?

no, no ULSD in israel.

i need low saps oil, because of dpf\catalytic converter.

and the funny\frustrating thing is: OEM doesn't require C1 C2 C3, not in the car manual, but i must have it, or DPF\CC would be damaged.


have a great day guys, and thank you for your time and knowledge.
smile
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#3322699 - 03/25/14 05:50 AM Re: oil for mitsubishi pajero 2011 3.2 diesel. [Re: n0mad]
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Registered: 12/12/02
Posts: 27096
Loc: a prison island
No probs, but the things that you are asking for are in combination mutually exclusive.

First, to the DPF...it's not specified as needing a C series ACEA oil, so where have you learned that you need a C2/C3 ?

If someone has told you, and it's not in the manual, then they are insinuating something that isn't stated by Mitsubishi.

You can't have a label that meets ACEA "C" series and A/B series anymore, so you cannot have an oil that meets both specifications on the label, but can have something that nearly meets them both.

Here's the ACEA specs, so that you can see what each offers.
http://www.infineum.com/Documents/ACEA/ACEA%202012%20oil%20sequences.pdf

Your Mitsubishi specifies A3/B3, A3/B4 (there's no A4), which have an HTHS of greater than 3.5...this is met by a small number of 5W-30s, and a large number of 40s.

The links I posted were from the major oil suppliers in Oz...except the Delvac1 LE, which IS a 5W-30, but I reckon would do you fine.

A5/B5 requires an HTHS between 2.9 and 3.5...it's a completely different specification to A3/B3, A3/B4, not "top of the line, combining the other specs".

If your manual genuinely allows you to use both A3/B4, and A5/B5, then it will live on an HTHS of 3.5 and above, and also be happy with 2.9-3.5.

I think that whoever has told you that you need a C2/C3 oil, if not stated in your manual, is giving you dud information.

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#3322707 - 03/25/14 06:26 AM Re: oil for mitsubishi pajero 2011 3.2 diesel. [Re: n0mad]
supercity Offline


Registered: 06/12/12
Posts: 894
Loc: Melbourne, Australia
These things run on just about anything. Yes they have a DPF but do not need a low/mid SAPS oil. As you have stated, Any ACEA B spec will do or API CF (or better) will work too. From memory in a viscosity range of 5w30 to 20w40 is acceptable.

ACEA made C and B specs mutually exclusive in 2010, maybe for good reason. Nowhere does it say you can use ACEA C so I wouldn't.

My pick would be an ACEA B4 in a 5w40 or 0w40. If you want to use 5w30 thats fine. Castrol Edge 5w30 A3/B4 meets that.

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#3322946 - 03/25/14 10:48 AM Re: oil for mitsubishi pajero 2011 3.2 diesel. [Re: n0mad]
m37charlie Offline


Registered: 06/08/09
Posts: 1145
Loc: Alaska
I would pick delvac1 LE 5W30. It is lower SAPS but having HTHS over 3.5 it offers greater high temp protection for your long hot summers. P is only 800ppm for catalyst protection. Ash is slightly over prescribed C3levels (1.0 vs. 0.8) but it has very low volatility. My BMW X5 burns zero in 18000 km OCI.
It has a higher detergency level than the poor level supplied by C oils.
Charlie


Edited by m37charlie (03/25/14 10:51 AM)
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#3323490 - 03/25/14 07:05 PM Re: oil for mitsubishi pajero 2011 3.2 diesel. [Re: n0mad]
bigjl Offline


Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 1708
Loc: London, England
I would consider Mobil Super 3000 X1 FE 5w30.

It is an A5/B5 oil but the saps are below 1.0

But not low enough to be consider a C1 oil which from my research is the reduced HTHS low saps spec.

I have had it in the Pathfinder for a while now, nearly 5k, no dpf lights or anything, and a very small improvement in fuel economy.

The owners manual for my Pathfinder only ever listed A3/B3/B4 for non dpf and C3 for dpf equipped vehicles.

But when i got hold of a workshop manual i found out that A5/B5 was allowed.

After finding out the new formulation of FE 5w30 had saps below 1.0, i think it is actually 0.8 i thought why not go for it.

Engine still uses no oil.

As Mobil Super is not top line like Mobil 1 products it is also a lot cheaper.

Next oci i am considering Shell Ultra AFL 5w30 C1. As i can then use same oil as my Jaguar.
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