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#3189401 - 11/16/13 10:38 AM 2013 & 2004 TDI Beetles OCI
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Registered: 02/19/13
Posts: 822
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
My aunt bought a 2013 VW Beetle TDI about a month ago, has about 1300 miles on it. VW recommends 10k OCI. VW will give her 3 years/36,000 miles of free oil changes and it will always get serviced there, they have always treated her well and are (surprisingly) honest, don't try to sell her things she doesn't need.

She has a 2004 VW Beetle TDI she bought brand new, has 152k miles and dealer always serviced as well at 10-11k OCI, always synthetic.

What OCI do you recommend for the 2004 and 2013 once VW stops giving her free oil changes for the 2013?

They are not short tripped, driven 30 miles one way to work 90% freeway with about 1/3 traffic. Each will get weekend trips occasionally as well and are driven moderately/ to a little hard but not abused. They are also both automatics.

Thanks.



Edited by Nick1994 (11/16/13 10:40 AM)
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#3189427 - 11/16/13 11:17 AM Re: 2013 & 2004 TDI Beetles OCI [Re: Nick1994]
BTLew81 Offline


Registered: 10/23/06
Posts: 1084
Loc: Illinois
I have a 2013 Jetta TDI with the same engine. 10k should be just fine throughout the life of the car. UOA would help support this, but most folks over on tdi club are running 10k without issue.

For what it's worth, I would go for an oil choice outside of the Castrol the dealer will use. PZ Euro L would be my first choice, though Mobil ESP seems to perform well also.
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#3189434 - 11/16/13 11:21 AM Re: 2013 & 2004 TDI Beetles OCI [Re: Nick1994]
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Registered: 06/21/09
Posts: 394
Loc: NorCal
10k on the 2013, ESP seems like a good choice.

15-20k on the 2004 with Rotella T6 or M1TDT or any other good syth diesel oil. Have the camshaft inspected if it has not been yet. And make sure you're doing ATF changes every 50k.
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#3189786 - 11/16/13 08:26 PM Re: 2013 & 2004 TDI Beetles OCI [Re: Nick1994]
artificialist Offline


Registered: 09/23/07
Posts: 6572
Loc: Florida
The UOA section confirms that the 2008-up engines can take a 10,000 mile OCI.

Just remember you can't use the oil for the 2004 Beetle (VW502/505/505.01) in the 2013 Beetle. The VW 504/507 used in the 2013 Beetle has a different additive pack that protects the DPF, and it is a lower viscosity than 502/505/505.01 oil.

I don't know if you could use 504/507 oil in an older TDI engine. I wouldn't take that risk. Although Shell RTS has no 502/505/505.01 approvals, UOA confirms that it is as good or better than VW approved oils.

It is unfortunate that you can't use 1 type of oil in 2 cars. That makes things easier.
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#3190157 - 11/17/13 11:18 AM Re: 2013 & 2004 TDI Beetles OCI [Re: Nick1994]
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Registered: 10/04/12
Posts: 246
Loc: Acworth, GA
Yep, VW 507 5w30 oils only in the 2013.

For the 2004, I'd run Mobil TDT 5w40.
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#3190396 - 11/17/13 04:06 PM Re: 2013 & 2004 TDI Beetles OCI [Re: Nick1994]
bigjl Offline


Registered: 09/06/12
Posts: 1670
Loc: London, England
I would be sticking firmly to 10k on both of them.

New Beetle looks much sleeker. Always a fan of red cars if the shape of the cars suits it. Which the curves of the Beetle certainly do.

In the UK i would running them both on Mobil 1 ESP 5w30.

A quick double check of the UK website shows that the 2012 2.p diesel dsg and the 2004 1.9pd auto are both speccdd for that oil.

I assume the 5w30 ESP in the US is the same as the EU one?

Quick cut n paste from Mobil UK website.


Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 has the following builder approvals:
BMW Longlife 04
MB-Approval 229.31/229.51
Volkswagen (Gasoline / Diesel) 504 00 / 507 00
Porsche C30
Chrysler MS-11106
Peugeot/CitroŽn Automobiles B71 2290 & B71 2297
AvtoVAZ Group "Luxe"
AAE Standard STO 003-05, Group B6
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 meets or exceeds the requirements of:
ACEA C2, C3
API (Meets Engine Test Requirements) SM / SN
JASO DL-1
According to ExxonMobil, Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 is of the following quality level:
API CF
Volkswagen (Gasoline) 502 00 / 503 00 / 503 01
Volkswagen (Diesel) 505 00 / 505 01 / 506 00 / 506 01

All VW engines with the exception of Unit-Injector / Pump-Duse TDI without LongLife Service and without DPF between 1999-2003 and R5/V10-TDi before model year 2006


Edited by bigjl (11/17/13 04:09 PM)
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#3190397 - 11/17/13 04:14 PM Re: 2013 & 2004 TDI Beetles OCI [Re: Nick1994]
bigjl Offline


Registered: 09/06/12
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Loc: London, England
I personally think the older 1.9 engine is likely to outlast the newer 2.0.

Been a few issues on the 2.0, oil pumps still seem to be an issue despite the modifications.

Though the older 1.9 in tdi or pd guise where one of the most reliable diesel engines on the msrket for many years.

I put 150k on one back in'99-00 in just under 18 months when i was a courier. And i sometimes ran it past 12k on the oil.
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#3190970 - 11/18/13 11:54 AM Re: 2013 & 2004 TDI Beetles OCI [Re: bigjl]
jayg Offline


Registered: 10/04/12
Posts: 246
Loc: Acworth, GA
Originally Posted By: bigjl
I personally think the older 1.9 engine is likely to outlast the newer 2.0.

Been a few issues on the 2.0, oil pumps still seem to be an issue despite the modifications.

Though the older 1.9 in tdi or pd guise where one of the most reliable diesel engines on the msrket for many years.

I put 150k on one back in'99-00 in just under 18 months when i was a courier. And i sometimes ran it past 12k on the oil.


Do you mean fuel pumps being an issue in the 2.0 common rail cars? I haven't heard of oil pumps giving people trouble on these. The hpfp certainly has a risk.


Keep in mind with the Pumpe Duse motors, there can be a tendency to wipe the cam with some 5w30s and most people have moved to 5w40s on those.

Therefore my recommendations would be 10k intervals on both.

Castrol SLX Gold LL VW 507 5w30 in the new car.
Mobil 5w40 TDT in the 2004.
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