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#3409881 - 06/29/14 10:10 AM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
vintageant Offline


Registered: 10/27/06
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Are you folks running MOS2 and Ceratec together, or alternating with OCIs?
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#3410033 - 06/29/14 01:35 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
147_Grain Offline


Registered: 03/11/13
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Liqui Moly does not recommend that you use MoS2 and Cera Tec together, even though no harm will be done.

One of their engineers told me via e-mail that Cera Tec will bond a little better if you don't add MoS2 at the same time. For this reason and others, I run a can of Cera Tec every two years and a 5% or 6% solution of MoS2 in-between.
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#3410712 - 06/30/14 09:25 AM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: 147_Grain]
GaleHawkins Offline


Registered: 01/06/14
Posts: 299
Loc: Murray KY USA
Originally Posted By: 147_Grain
Liqui Moly does not recommend that you use MoS2 and Cera Tec together, even though no harm will be done.

One of their engineers told me via e-mail that Cera Tec will bond a little better if you don't add MoS2 at the same time. For this reason and others, I run a can of Cera Tec every two years and a 5% or 6% solution of MoS2 in-between.


From what I understand about the use of the Archoil 9300 version of boron nano tech solution I agree. It sounds like the cleaner the metal the better Ceratec or AR 9300 will bond. MoS2 would compete for the same metal surface I gather.

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#3410836 - 06/30/14 12:03 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: GaleHawkins]
Oilport Offline


Registered: 06/28/14
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Loc: Ont.Canada
I wonder with the Ceratec bonded on ,,how well the MS02 sticks ??
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#3414072 - 07/03/14 11:15 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
SuperDave456 Offline


Registered: 10/29/08
Posts: 2254
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Just broke 200,000 miles in my 2002 Ford Taurus.
She still purrs. Most of that was before I started doing 5,000 mile OCI's. I used to religiously do 3,000 mile OCI's.

Anyways, you guys have me interested.

However, before I bite, I'm curious as to how many of you guys currently have this in your crankcase?

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#3414768 - 07/04/14 08:01 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
keesue Offline


Registered: 05/27/07
Posts: 95
Loc: San Francisco
I ordered Ceratec and put it with an oil change per instructions. I used delo 15/40. I now have 4000 miles on the treatment. I have also been using LCD. My initial impressions were the same as when I used liqui-moly. It seemed as though a blanket was thrown over the engine. (1981 Turbo Volvo B21FT SOHC). The oil looks like honey and the engine is nice and smooth. I'm going to change it at 5K if it looks like I need it although I suspect it will still look like honey and if so I won't. No oil usage either. When I do change it, I'm guessing I'll use liqui-moly. There seems to be some confusion about which oil change to add but it can't do any harm to do it directly. Good stuff this.

If archoil does the same thing, it sounds like that may be an alternative but I'm holding with Ceratec and moly. I don't want a conflict going with competing products, I do think that LCD is complimentary in dealing with oxidation. I'm satisfied with the synergy. I did notice an increase in fuel mileage in tank-to-tank highway miles but nothing in combination driving.

I'm wondering if I should use synthetic with my next oil change. I'll have to ponder that one.
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#3415256 - 07/05/14 12:45 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: keesue]
GaleHawkins Offline


Registered: 01/06/14
Posts: 299
Loc: Murray KY USA
All of these products like Ceratec and Archoil 9300 may be an overkill but they can be fun to play with. Archoil states to use their cleaner (AR2300??) for 3K miles before using AR 9300 unless you have been running AR9100 which does not offer ceramic coating but is slicker than AR9300. In light of that I am thinking about gallon of Archoil AR9100 and run it in everything since it is for engines, transmissions and hydraulic oil. In manual, auto transmissions the mixing ratio goes to 10% making it go fast. My try some in the old backhoe but it would cost $400 to fully treat it. I can do it with Lucas Hydraulic Oil Booster and Stop Leak for only $60 but they are not designed to do the same thing.

For engines at we change (none hold more than 2 gallons) we just go with synthetic engine oil how ever at the quick lube places I just go with house brand dino to offset their labor charges. I like Shell T6 as the oil to stash because it is good for the lawnmower to diesel engines but after some testing really like Mobil 1 10w-40 High Mileage oil for the gas engines as all are 100K to 200K+ miles. It is the slickest oil out of the bottle that I have seen and sticky too. I used it as the rebuild oil in the Polaris engines and was impressed. It may be the moly but it seems to be good cutting oil and adds to bit life.

On the 2000 150K towncar with Ceratec with over 3500 miles on it we will monitor. Checked today and on local driving it is showing 19.3 MPG today after the 3500 mile trip last week but did not really test it right before adding Ceratec but that is higher then in the pass. It may have been winter but once after many tanks it was more like 11 MPG but if it was idled a lot at start up that would have been a factor.

Other than the engine being more quiet we see no major pro or con at this point with Ceratec.


Edited by GaleHawkins (07/05/14 12:52 PM)

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#3415276 - 07/05/14 01:38 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: GaleHawkins]
stickybuns Offline


Registered: 07/04/14
Posts: 119
Loc: texas
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins

From the tear down of the Polaris engine after 11 hours of run time with Ceratec added it clearly coated the wear points. &&&&&&& We have no objective way to determine if the Ceratec is of any value to the engine.


What did you see/detect/feel that makes you think Ceratec coated?

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#3415279 - 07/05/14 01:40 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: SuperDave456]
stickybuns Offline


Registered: 07/04/14
Posts: 119
Loc: texas
Originally Posted By: SuperDave456
Anyways, you guys have me interested.
However, before I bite, I'm curious as to how many of you guys currently have this in your crankcase?
SuperDave Osborne, I use LM MOS2, am thinkin about Ceratec. Need proof.

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#3415295 - 07/05/14 02:13 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: GaleHawkins]
keesue Offline


Registered: 05/27/07
Posts: 95
Loc: San Francisco
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins
...but after some testing really like Mobil 1 10w-40 High Mileage oil for the gas engines as all are 100K to 200K+ miles. It is the slickest oil out of the bottle that I have seen and sticky too. I used it as the rebuild oil in the Polaris engines and was impressed. It may be the moly but it seems to be good cutting oil and adds to bit life.


Thanks for this. I think I'll give Mobil 1 HM a try and skip the moly since it has it included.
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#3415906 - 07/06/14 08:10 AM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
GaleHawkins Offline


Registered: 01/06/14
Posts: 299
Loc: Murray KY USA
keesue I expect the moly is a factor. I try to use grease with moly as well for the equipment.

I can tell by ear (never measured it) the 4.6L in the 2000 towncar with 150K miles is a bit more quite with the Ceratec than even with the LM MoS2.

Being a gear head it is fun to mess with these additives like Ceratec and Archoil 9300 with nano technologies. At the same time we know they functionally do nothing for us other than separate us from our cash. smile

I expect based on reading a lot of Archoil research they do pay their way in engines that hold 20+ gallons of motor oil and need to last 40 years running 24/7 most of those 40 years and the same for gear boxes.

Today's passenger vehicles will long since wear out the chassis just using the motor oil specs and change intervals that some in the book in the glove box.

On our run that got us into Canada (with the Ceratec added after a new oil change) we drove from east to west across much of Nebraska and saw all of those coal trains. I can see why Archoil would be used in industries like that. The cost savings with train usage of Archoil research showed some real savings in just fuel usage the best I remember.

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#3415909 - 07/06/14 08:12 AM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: stickybuns]
GaleHawkins Offline


Registered: 01/06/14
Posts: 299
Loc: Murray KY USA
Originally Posted By: stickybuns
Originally Posted By: SuperDave456
Anyways, you guys have me interested.
However, before I bite, I'm curious as to how many of you guys currently have this in your crankcase?
SuperDave Osborne, I use LM MOS2, am thinkin about Ceratec. Need proof.


Due to the lack of proof faith will be required.:) Neither are required to enable a car engine to wear out the chassis 99% of the time. smile

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#3415921 - 07/06/14 08:36 AM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: stickybuns]
GaleHawkins Offline


Registered: 01/06/14
Posts: 299
Loc: Murray KY USA
Originally Posted By: stickybuns
Originally Posted By: GaleHawkins

From the tear down of the Polaris engine after 11 hours of run time with Ceratec added it clearly coated the wear points. &&&&&&& We have no objective way to determine if the Ceratec is of any value to the engine.


What did you see/detect/feel that makes you think Ceratec coated?


There was a shine and the cylinder wall marks from running with no oil in the crankcase were less after idling the engine for 11 hours with Ceratec added. While the crank still had ridges they were smooth and shiny and while showing some heavy wear the rod bearing never did spin in the connecting rod. No proof of anything but it did run and the parts looked better than I expect after 11 hours of run time with a chewed up crank.

The coating is not enough to stop rust from occurring. It was torn down in Jan and due to life it has set since that time the head setting on a table became uncovered and the cam shaft showed some very light surface rust but is the kind that you can rub off with oil. This shows the ceramic coating is not moisture proof when exposed to the air.

The blown Polaris 325 cc air/oil cooled engine was just a test bed we used to test Ceratec to some degree. Valid research would be nice to to have but with a tool and die background I have no question that Ceratec made a difference in this adverse case.

In the case of these oil cooled Polaris engines that with age experience oil line failure something like Ceratec, Archoil 9300, etc might save an engine due to the lost of all engine oil by a bit but who knows for sure. In the case with this line of Polaris all one would have to do is to change out two oil lines every 5-10 years to reduce this risk. smile

Not all will emotionally agree but the fact remains there are no new cars that one expects engine failure before the chassis is shot if the OCI and oil in the manual is followed so functionally all additives are worthless today. smile

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#3417949 - 07/08/14 07:57 AM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: TechnoLoGs]
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Registered: 08/11/11
Posts: 632
Loc: n.c.
I'm hoping to see the benefits of the L-M Ceratec after I have ran it 5,000 miles and then drain it and add the L-M mos2 to the next oil change. I'm hoping to see an improvement in MPG as well as longevity of the engine with these two additives but as you have said with proper maintenance an engine should outlive the vehicle. If L-M would run a controlled long term test on say 2 vehicles that are the exact same from new, one with they're additives and one without, then we might be able to see how the L-M might be of benefit....or not.

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#3418593 - 07/08/14 06:02 PM Re: What does Liqui-Moly CERATEC do? [Re: GaleHawkins]
keesue Offline


Registered: 05/27/07
Posts: 95
Loc: San Francisco
Do you mean moly is the factor in Mobil 1 HM? If so, I'll just add Moly to Rotella.
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