What Oil filter for '07 Honda Odyssey?

[ZeeOSix]

The holding capacity is basically a direct indication of the OCI length capability. If the Bosch Distance Plus shows "300% greater capacity" then I'd think it's good for a 10K OCI. It actually as the highest holding capacity of all the four filters listed below. The new Bosch "Long Life" synthetic filter looks like a Purolator PSL clone, but it has less holding capacity and is rated at the same 10K OCI as the Purolator PSL synthetic filter.

Bosch Distance Plus (29 grams - OCI not shown - 300% greater capacity holds more dirt)
http://www.boschautoparts.com/Filters/Pages/DistancePlusOilFilters.aspx#overview

Bosch Long Life (Synthetic media - Purolator PSL clone, 22 grams - 10,000 mile OCI)
http://www.boschautoparts.com/Filters/Pages/LongLifeOilFilters.aspx

Purolator PureOne (13 grams - 3K/3mo or Owner's Manual OCI)
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/products/oil_filters/Pages/pureoneoilfilters.aspx

Purolator Synthetic (27 grams - 10,000 mile OCI)
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/products/oil_filters/Pages/SyntheticOilFilters.aspx

 

[GYGuy81]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
The holding capacity is basically a direct indication of the OCI length capability. If the Bosch Distance Plus shows "300% greater capacity" then I'd think it's good for a 10K OCI. It actually as the highest holding capacity of all the four filters listed below. The new Bosch "Long Life" synthetic filter looks like a Purolator PSL clone, but it has less holding capacity and is rated at the same 10K OCI as the Purolator PSL synthetic filter.

Bosch Distance Plus (29 grams - OCI not shown - 300% greater capacity holds more dirt)
http://www.boschautoparts.com/Filters/Pages/DistancePlusOilFilters.aspx#overview

Bosch Long Life (Synthetic media - Purolator PSL clone, 22 grams - 10,000 mile OCI)
http://www.boschautoparts.com/Filters/Pages/LongLifeOilFilters.aspx

Purolator PureOne (13 grams - 3K/3mo or Owner's Manual OCI)
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/products/oil_filters/Pages/pureoneoilfilters.aspx

Purolator Synthetic (27 grams - 10,000 mile OCI)
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/products/oil_filters/Pages/SyntheticOilFilters.aspx


Hi,

The problem is that in the worst case it comes down to what the manufacturer recommends. I chose the Royal Purple as it is just $1 more than the Distance Plus / Purolator Synthetic. And from the way the RP is manufactured it definitely is trust worthy.

 

[GYGuy81]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: GYGuy81
I like the sound of the engine.


We have nearly the same 3.5L engine in our Acura, and it's a honey of a mill to spin up and let loose, isn't it? One of the smoothest-sounding and smoothest-running V-6s you'll come across.

I am friends with a Purolator filter engineer at work (their HQ is in our town). I'm tellin' ya...I'd use the PSL14610 on your V-6 Honda...


My local Honda dealer tells me every time how much he likes the Odyssey and he doesn't understand why Honda ever stopped selling the Minivan in Europe. From 1994 until 2000 Honda used to sell the 1st Generation of the Odyssey in Europe as well. It was called Honda Shuttle.

But I totally agree ... It's one of the smoothest sounding and running V6 engines I ever heared. Most V6 engines here in Europe have a more powerful (agressive) sound. But I rather like it smooth .. Like a purring wild cat

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: GYGuy81
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
The holding capacity is basically a direct indication of the OCI length capability. If the Bosch Distance Plus shows "300% greater capacity" then I'd think it's good for a 10K OCI. It actually as the highest holding capacity of all the four filters listed below. The new Bosch "Long Life" synthetic filter looks like a Purolator PSL clone, but it has less holding capacity and is rated at the same 10K OCI as the Purolator PSL synthetic filter.

Bosch Distance Plus (29 grams - OCI not shown - 300% greater capacity holds more dirt)
http://www.boschautoparts.com/Filters/Pages/DistancePlusOilFilters.aspx#overview

Bosch Long Life (Synthetic media - Purolator PSL clone, 22 grams - 10,000 mile OCI)
http://www.boschautoparts.com/Filters/Pages/LongLifeOilFilters.aspx

Purolator PureOne (13 grams - 3K/3mo or Owner's Manual OCI)
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/products/oil_filters/Pages/pureoneoilfilters.aspx

Purolator Synthetic (27 grams - 10,000 mile OCI)
http://www.purolatorautofilters.net/products/oil_filters/Pages/SyntheticOilFilters.aspx


Hi,

The problem is that in the worst case it comes down to what the manufacturer recommends. I chose the Royal Purple as it is just $1 more than the Distance Plus / Purolator Synthetic. And from the way the RP is manufactured it definitely is trust worthy.

Even though FRAM doesn't say how many grams of holding capacity the Ultra has (full synthetic/wire backed media), it does rate it to 15K miles OCI, whereas Purolator rates their full synthetic/wire backed media filter (the PSL) to 10K OCIs.

What's the holding capacity and/or OCI interval for the Royal Purple filter? (also full synthetic/wire backed media) - I couldn't find it on their website.

http://royalpurpleconsumer.com/product-categories/other/#!royal-purple-oil-filters

From the filtering specs, the FRAM Ultra looks to have slightly higher filtering performance than the Purolator PSL and the Royal Purple filters.

 

[Sayjac]

Quote:
The problem is that in the worst case it comes down to what the manufacturer recommends....

I too see no rated holding capacity or recommended oci spec for the RP, so in that respect how would it be any different? And the information provided by the Bosch hotline was compeletely bogus, ie., incorrect. There's no way the BD+ is a 3k oci filter max, I know, I've used it to 13.5k and dissected it, and it does have a published holding capacity, 29g. The 3k answer provided is laughable.

Not saying the RP isn't a solid and well made filter, but there is no more published spec information on it than the BD+. Less if a published holding capacity spec is considered.

Point is, don't want folks reading this thread to think the information provided here by the 'Bosch hotline' regarding the BD+ is accurate or authoritative, because it isn't. It is unfortunate that based on the answers provided, clearly there is a lack of product knowledge by the folks working the B hotline and the PRO.

 

[GYGuy81]

Hi,

but this is the more qualified response I got fro Royal Purple:


Good afternoon Niels,


For your 2007 Honda Odyssey 3.5L V6 we recommend the Royal Purple extended life synthetic oil filter part #10-2867. When used with Royal Purple oil it can be used for 12 months or 12,000 miles.


Please see our recommendations below:

For your 2007 Honda 3.5L V6 Odyssey we also recommend the following:


Engine: Royal Purple SAE 5W-20 (part #01520, quart bottle) or after warranty compliance is no longer a concern for a significant upgrade performance and protection Royal Purple HPS 5W-20 (part #31520, quart bottle); 4.5 quarts;

Engine Oil Filter: Royal Purple extended life synthetic oil filter (part #10-2808)(available at Pep Boys and from many online sellers);

Auto Trans: Royal Purple Max ATF (part #01320, quart bottle);4.5 quarts pan drain and fill and 8.5 quarts on a complete dry fill.

Power Steering: Royal Purple Max EZ (part #01326, 12-oz bottle);

Due to HPS being a relatively new product, your local stores will likely not have HPS on the shelves. However a special order can be done at most local NAPAs and all O’Reilly’s in the USA.


HPS oils are also definitely available on line and shipping at the following performance outlets:


Lucky7trucks.com: http://www.lucky7trucks.com/_e/dept/08-001-011/HPS_High_Performance_Street_Oil.htm

Summit Racing: http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=royal purple hps&dds=1

Pace Performance: http://paceperformance.com/c-241647-pace...-motor-oil.html

Jegs: http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/KeywordSearchCmd?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&langId=-1&Ntk=all&Jnar=0&Ne=1%2B2%2B3%2B13%2B1147708&searchTerm=royal+purple+hps

Amazon.com

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Please find our gasoline drain interval recommendations detailed below:

Gas Engine Oil Drain Intervals:


For engine oil in street driven passenger car/light truck gasoline engines that are mechanically sound, and stock or mildly modified, the interval is up to 12,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first.

Depending on how many times time you have put a high-quality synthetic motor oil in your engine, we recommend you stay with the manufacturer's recommended interval for two oil and filter changes. This is generally 3,000 to 6,000 miles.

If you have done this with another high quality synthetic motor oil, or if you have another car that has very low mileage (new or almost new car), the oil change interval can immediately be extended to 2x to 3x the recommended factory interval up to a very safe extended interval of up to 12,000 miles or 1 year.

When a Royal Purple oil filter is not available for your application we recommend changing the engine oil filter during the extended oil interval using a high-quality filter. If the filter manufacturer gives mileage guidance, feel free to use that. Otherwise, if running the oil to 12,000 miles, change the filter and top off the oil level at 4,000 miles and 8,000 miles. If you run the oil for up to 10,000 miles, a single filter change at 5,000 miles will be sufficient.

With the Royal Purple Extended Life Oil Filter you can go the full 12,000 miles with RP oil, and have far superior filtration while you are doing it.(available at most Pep Boys stores and available through many online sellers)


If you put less than 6,000 miles a year on your vehicle, we recommend changing engine oil and filter once per year.

Whenever you change the non RP oil filter, but not the oil, be sure to top off the oil level to make up for oil lost with the filter change. Check your fluid level occasionally because all engines will use some oil.

The 'short' initial oil change interval is to ensure that your engine is relatively clean before going to the extended interval. Many conventional oils and lower quality 'synthetics' tend to form deposits inside engines, and in diesels, leave soot build-up. The natural detergent action of Royal Purple's superior quality base oils tend to clean these deposits and dirty up the oil quickly. After the first two oil changes with Royal Purple, the bulk of the gunk should be gone.


Web site- http://www.royalpurple.com/
FAQs- http://www.royalpurple.com/why-rp/faqs/
Locator- http://www.royalpurple.com/dealer-locator/


Thank you for choosing Royal Purple and have a great day!


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This is a great and very detailed answer I would have loved to get from Bosch as well.

However I did had the feeling that the person from Bosch was knowledgeable as well. He definitely know about the filter specs. I have no idea if those informations from Bosch were right or wrong. But I have to assume that he told me the correct specs because he also provided me the information about alternative products that meets the specs I'm looking for.

But of course it's suspicious when a Distance+ filter that is more solid and holds more 'dirt' has the same specs regards to the replacement of it like a cheaper regular type of oil filter.

 

[Sayjac]

Though no actual technical specs were provided, it is a detailed answer. Do you also plan on running RP oil to meet the RP oil filter recommendation to 12k? I ask because I see RP as the only oil that is recommended to take to the RP filter to 12k.

As for assuming the Bosch information was correct, in this case, the old saying about 'assu ming' is apt. The answer regarding the BD+ recommended oci is incorrect. Because another recommendation was made, doesn't make it so.

All that said, I'd have little issue running the RP to 10-12k in a Honda or to Honda recommended oci but not because of the RP response, just me. In fact that response seems to leave doubt that another oil besides RP could be used to take the RP filter to 12k in the Odyssey.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: GYGuy81
Hi,

but this is the more qualified response I got fro Royal Purple:

Good afternoon Niels,

For your 2007 Honda Odyssey 3.5L V6 we recommend the Royal Purple extended life synthetic oil filter part #10-2867. When used with Royal Purple oil it can be used for 12 months or 12,000 miles.


So I'm curious why Royal Purple doesn't put say that on their website? If the filter is really good for 12 months or 12K miles, then they should say so on their website. Shouldn't have to email them to find out, unless they want you to so they can send back pages of recommendations to use all their products.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
Do you also plan on running RP oil to meet the RP oil filter recommendation to 12k? I ask because I see RP as the only oil that is recommended to take to the RP filter to 12k.


I think RP's intention is to say that in order to run their long life filter for 1 year or 12K miles in one OCI/filters interval, you would have to use full synthetic oil. Of course they will make it sound like RP is the oil to use (marketing ploy), but IMO any full synthetic oil that can go that distance would work fine. In fact, if you ran that RP filter for 12K miles with 2 or 3 OCIs of plain dino oil, the filter would still be good for 12K miles.

 

[GYGuy81]

Hi,

I will use a German 5W30 engine oil http://www.meguin.de/meguin/produktdb.nsf/id/e_3196.html
A 5W20 blend is not recommended in Germany. Honda Europe recommends 5W30 for their engines.
I also talked to different people that are mechanics and one is working for an oil manufacturer. The 5W20 is
too thin for the conditions here .
I'm going to replace the filter every approx 7,500 miles. I assume it will last that long.

Shpping engine oil to Germany would work ... but that would really exceed resonable financial aspect.

 

[Sayjac]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: sayjac
Do you also plan on running RP oil to meet the RP oil filter recommendation to 12k? I ask because I see RP as the only oil that is recommended to take to the RP filter to 12k.


I think RP's intention is to say that in order to run their long life filter for 1 year or 12K miles in one OCI/filters interval, you would have to use full synthetic oil. Of course they will make it sound like RP is the oil to use (marketing ploy), but IMO any full synthetic oil that can go that distance would work fine. In fact, if you ran that RP filter for 12K miles with 2 or 3 OCIs of plain dino oil, the filter would still be good for 12K miles.

No disagreement, as I also stated in my post "I'd have little issue running the RP to 10-12k in a Honda or to Honda recommended oci but not because of the RP response...". However, if one was 'strictly' accepting only information provided by CS reps (any), then the RP information provided only mentions with RP oil only in conjunction with the 12k RP filter recommendation.

But more importantly, the information provided by the Bosch hotline, similar to information provided by Puro's PRO, does no service to either's filters or company, as the BD+ information quoted this thread is another example. Even common sense says any of these filters will, at the very least do the vehicle manufacturers recommended oci, including Honda, or they wouldn't be sold as aftermarket alternatives.

 

[ZeeOSix]

^^ +1 ... don't know why companies don't get technically competent people in the customer service dept, or even in the technical department for that matter. Agree that Bosch saying the Distance Plus is only good for 3K OCIs is the most ridiculous thing I've ever hear for a quite awhile. And if RP is claiming that their oil filter will only go 1yr/12K if only their oil is used is pretty ridiculous also. Seem half the things these companies claim is just a ploy to sell more of their products IMO.

 

[GYGuy81]

Maybe the RP filter material disolves when using a different brand of engine oil ;-)

 

[steve20]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Originally Posted By: GYGuy81
I like the sound of the engine.


We have nearly the same 3.5L engine in our Acura, and it's a honey of a mill to spin up and let loose, isn't it? One of the smoothest-sounding and smoothest-running V-6s you'll come across.

I am friends with a Purolator filter engineer at work (their HQ is in our town). I'm tellin' ya...I'd use the PSL14610 on your V-6 Honda...


JAson---maybe you could ask your engineer friend why the 14610 is rated at 40 mics instead of 20 like most of the rest of their line?