What is liquid titanium? Should I be scared of it?

[engineerscott]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Originally Posted By: engineerscott
Originally Posted By: OilProfessor
The Professor states that it is a marketing gimmick.

The Professor seems to make rather a lot of statements without supporting evidences. Not saying that the Professor is wrong in this case, but some supporting argument or documentation would be far more effective than "The Professors states blah blah blah ...". After all, one of the purposes of this forum is for people to learn and exchange ideas, which is rather hard to do when someone is making pronouncements as if from on top of Mount Olympus.
After all, for all we know The Professor is consulting a Magic 8 Ball for his answers. We'll know for sure if we see "The Professor states, reply hazy, try again".

I've noticed that also.

Titanium dioxide is an AW additive but the "Liquid Titanium" advertising is certainly a marketing gimmick particularly in light of the fact that it is a cheaper alternative to moly which most premium oils already contain.


It doesn't matter if the alternative is cheaper, it matters how well it works. In fact, I'm all in favor of cheaper alternatives that work as well or better than existing alternatives. In fact, if it's "cheaper" enough, I might not care if it works as well, as long as it works well enough. It all boils down to a cost/benefit analysis.

 

[CATERHAM]

But no one claims Ti is better than moly. EOM certainly doesn't use it in place of moly in M1.
It's a marketing gimmick since Titanium has a certain marketing cachet.

 

[Gokhan]

To make it clear, liquid titanium is not titanium dioxide. It's an organic compound that is thought to contain titanium-dioxide nanaoparticles but it is not fully understood.

See the patent for details.

I think the best AW/EP/FM additive that also enhances ZDDP is Infineum (co-owned by Exxon-Mobil and Shell) trinuclear moly, which contains 3 Mo and 15 S atoms per molecule. I would personally not count on liquid titanium alone.

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
But no one claims Ti is better than moly. EOM certainly doesn't use it in place of moly in M1.
It's a marketing gimmick since Titanium has a certain marketing cachet.


Agree.

Mobil is using it in their lower tier oils. If it was so good it would be used in M1.

 

[Gokhan]

Note that, in the patent, the patent filers refer to moly that doesn't contain sulfur. In reality, moly that doesn't contain sulfur has been shown to be useless as an AW/EP/FM additive. This shows the lack of knowledge in the field of the Afton patent filers and puts further doubt on the effectiveness of liquid titanium. Liquid titanium seems to be primarily an attempt on trying to invent a sulfur- and phosphorus-free AW/EP/FM additive but not necessarily one that works well.

 

[Cooper]

Originally Posted By: engineerscott
Originally Posted By: OilProfessor
The Professor states that it is a marketing gimmick.


The Professor seems to make rather a lot of statements without supporting evidences. Not saying that the Professor is wrong in this case, but some supporting argument or documentation would be far more effective than "The Professors states blah blah blah ...". After all, one of the purposes of this forum is for people to learn and exchange ideas, which is rather hard to do when someone is making pronouncements as if from on top of Mount Olympus.

After all, for all we know The Professor is consulting a Magic 8 Ball for his answers. We'll know for sure if we see "The Professor states, reply hazy, try again".


The Professor changes the oil in his short bus.

 

[engineerscott]

Originally Posted By: Cooper

The Professor changes the oil in his short bus.

The Professor states that the short bus is the coolest way to school!

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Donald
Can kryptonite be far behind? There was a guy on TV promoting a new oil with kryptonite and his name was Clark K something. Did not catch the last name. I think is suppose to be famous.


Oh man, I'm laughing and my dog thinks I'm nuts!

 

[OilProfessor]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Originally Posted By: engineerscott
Originally Posted By: OilProfessor
The Professor states that it is a marketing gimmick.

The Professor seems to make rather a lot of statements without supporting evidences. Not saying that the Professor is wrong in this case, but some supporting argument or documentation would be far more effective than "The Professors states blah blah blah ...". After all, one of the purposes of this forum is for people to learn and exchange ideas, which is rather hard to do when someone is making pronouncements as if from on top of Mount Olympus.
After all, for all we know The Professor is consulting a Magic 8 Ball for his answers. We'll know for sure if we see "The Professor states, reply hazy, try again".

I've noticed that also.

Titanium dioxide is an AW additive but the "Liquid Titanium" advertising is certainly a marketing gimmick particularly in light of the fact that it is a cheaper alternative to moly which most premium oils already contain.


The Professor would like to thank Caterham for agreeing with him. Seems as if The Professor is not the only one with a magic 8 ball.

 

[Robenstein]

Originally Posted By: OilProfessor
Originally Posted By: OilProfessor
The Professor states that it is a marketing gimmick.


The Professor would like to thank Caterham for agreeing with him. Seems as if The Professor is not the only one with a magic 8 ball.


I wish the "professor" would stop referring to himself/herself in the third person. I actually am a college professor but I do not talk about myself in the third person let alone with such a pretentious moniker.

 

[chevrofreak]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
But no one claims Ti is better than moly. EOM certainly doesn't use it in place of moly in M1.
It's a marketing gimmick since Titanium has a certain marketing cachet.


XOM doesn't even advertise that Super uses titanium. I would bet that if they find that titanium works well, that M1 eventually has it.

 

[Donald]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Donald
Can kryptonite be far behind? There was a guy on TV promoting a new oil with kryptonite and his name was Clark K something. Did not catch the last name. I think is suppose to be famous.


Oh man, I'm laughing and my dog thinks I'm nuts!

I am thinking you were the only one who got it!!

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Donald
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Donald
Can kryptonite be far behind? There was a guy on TV promoting a new oil with kryptonite and his name was Clark K something. Did not catch the last name. I think is suppose to be famous.


Oh man, I'm laughing and my dog thinks I'm nuts!

I am thinking you were the only one who got it!!


Tragic!

 

[cb_13]

Haven't you seen terminator 2? Be afraid of liquid titanium! Be very afraid!!

 

[FastGame]

Originally Posted By: Robenstein
I wish the "professor" would stop referring to himself/herself in the third person. I actually am a college professor but I do not talk about myself in the third person let alone with such a pretentious moniker.


Maybe you should get off the High Horse, get back to basics, check out the Definition of "professor"

"a person who professes his or her sentiments, beliefs, etc." "one that professes, avows, or declares" and on and on.....

Fits the Oil Professor just fine, third person or not.

Bye

 

[Donald]

I am not sure I care whether my oil has liquid titanium. I will trust the chemists at places like Mobil, Pennsoil and Amsoil (and others) to come up with the best additive package for the oil I buy. I realize it has to be a reasonable cost and needs to be inline with the tier of oil I am buying.

Most of us are not chemists and do not have the resources to do the needed testing.

I think this is similar to the guy who goes into the doctor asking for this new medicine her just read about in Newsweek for his blood pressure. I expect my doctor to be knowledgeable in this area and to prescribe what he feels will work best for me.

 

[Merkava_4]

Castrol Start-Up with magnetic Teflon particles is better. Turns your engine into a non-stick frying pan.

 

[Robenstein]

Originally Posted By: FastGame
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
I wish the "professor" would stop referring to himself/herself in the third person. I actually am a college professor but I do not talk about myself in the third person let alone with such a pretentious moniker.


Maybe you should get off the High Horse, get back to basics, check out the Definition of "professor"

"a person who professes his or her sentiments, beliefs, etc." "one that professes, avows, or declares" and on and on.....

Fits the Oil Professor just fine, third person or not.

Bye


More like he is a shill for Quaker State and SOPUS products. I think "OilSalesman" would be a better moniker. I do "profess" to call such things out. Like it or not, I am not the only one on here getting sick of it already. And in my dictionary, your defitiniton is all the way down at number 5 with number 1 being "a teacher of the highest academic rank in a college or university, who has been awarded the title Professor in a particular branch of learning" So I doubt he went to college and got a degree in anything that makes him a lubrication specialist.

 

[Geonerd]

Originally Posted By: Donald
Can kryptonite be far behind? There was a guy on TV promoting a new oil with kryptonite and his name was Clark K something. Did not catch the last name. I think is suppose to be famous.


Indeed. You'd think (hope!) that the Marketing Monkeys will eventually run out of hyperactive adjectives and outrageous exaggerations.

Few people know that Pennzoil Ultra (Pu) contains Plutonium! The company was originally planning to roll out a "Pennzoil Ultra, with the maximum about of Plutonium allowed by law, Nukes Sludge!" ad campaign but changed their mind at the last minute after several Orange Cans of Death went critical, vaporizing not only the sludge, but also the entire vehicle.

 

[MolaKule]

Quote:
Note that, in the patent, the patent filers refer to moly that doesn't contain sulfur. In reality, moly that doesn't contain sulfur has been shown to be useless as an AW/EP/FM additive. This shows the lack of knowledge in the field of the Afton patent filers and puts further doubt on the effectiveness of liquid titanium. Liquid titanium seems to be primarily an attempt on trying to invent a sulfur- and phosphorus-free AW/EP/FM additive but not necessarily one that works well.


The patent disclosure I read show sulfur and phosphorous-free moly compounds AND sulfur containing moly compounds, most notably the moly Dithiocarbamates. In fact, they discuss the basic sulfur compounds for use in making moly DTC's.

I don't think there is anything to be scared of.

Just another AW additive being used to supplement the ZDDP because of ZDDP's reduction.