The McJob...The New Normal.

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Originally Posted By: eljefino
My neighbor has a grown kid with Down Syndrome and he goes off to "school", even in the summer, but it's not enough that she can work full-time.

She also can't get benefits, working part-time, which she needs for her son's care.

95 to 99% of Downs cases have the extra cromosome and qualify for 100% disability. Thats at least $2000/month. What do you want??
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
My neighbor has a grown kid with Down Syndrome and he goes off to "school", even in the summer, but it's not enough that she can work full-time.

She also can't get benefits, working part-time, which she needs for her son's care.

The solution is to be on welfare, whole hog. There's no middle ground. The kid isn't screwed up enough to get his own private nurse, or institutionalized, but isn't with it enough to leave unattended. And it's possibly cheaper for the state to have her tend to his needs, though I imagine there are perverse (Federal?) incentives keeping this in place.

She could work, some, but sticking a private business with her "drama" (read: good parenting) and occasional days-off needs doesn't seem the way of this world. If she could land work in a school, so she gets vacations off with her son, some people would surely decry her as a lazy union member who only works 180 days a year.


Knowing the American medical system's cost, it is much cheaper to give out freebies for parents than to institutionalize the disabled parents.

Newborn daughter stayed in the NICU for 10 days due to apnea and jaundice (late term premie) and the hospital charged insurance $66k, she got RSV (cold virus) and make her not breathing well (low oxygen level), and end up back in NICU for 3 days in isolation room and 1 day on oxygen, and that hospital charge insurance $75k.

If parents can take care of them instead of bothering the "professional", it would be 1/10 of the cost if not 1/50.

I'd imagine this is the reason why prison is so expensive despite the inmates work full time.
 
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Originally Posted By: Trav
Are you trolling or what? I already said it doesn't matter who proposed it or who signed it. It should never have been signed.


You live in the wrong state for sure for your stances. Both "republican" and "democrats" are the same in office there passing these kinds of programs. My wife who works in a MA hospital actually recommends certain patients from NH to move to MA for the "free" benefits/programs they need.

Welfare programs have to exist to keep the peace and certain people will always abuse them as it is "nature".

I am an agnostic voter myself.
 
Originally Posted By: rjundi

Welfare programs have to exist to keep the peace and certain people will always abuse them as it is "nature".




Problem is there are way too many of those abusers now, and the system needs draconian controls in place to halt the corruption and theft of taxpayer monies. If these people want the benefits they will need to submit to frequent monitoring and random surprise visits to the residences, if the recipient refuses they automatically lose all benefits immediately and can NEVER qualify again for ANY reason.
 
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Originally Posted By: Trav
Are you trolling or what? I already said it doesn't matter who proposed it or who signed it. It should never have been signed.


You live in the wrong state for sure for your stances. Both "republican" and "democrats" are the same in office there passing these kinds of programs. My wife who works in a MA hospital actually recommends certain patients from NH to move to MA for the "free" benefits/programs they need.

Welfare programs have to exist to keep the peace and certain people will always abuse them as it is "nature".

I am an agnostic voter myself.


I'm more against the welfare programs known as US Foreign aide. I guess we need to buy friends around the world. It doesn't appear to be working.
 
I don't know anyone, conservative or liberal, who wants to deny aid to those who truly need it. There is so much political baloney being pushed by both sides of the aisle it is difficult for the average guy to know what is up with this topic.

The fact is the fraud is significant, and it could be stopped. But the "dole" is always wasteful, and costs tons of money just to give it away!

Change is needed. If we are truly "poor" as a country with runaway debt we need to make tough choices to get the numbers in line...
 
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Welfare programs have to exist to keep the peace and certain people will always abuse them as it is "nature".


We have police and the national guard for that...you don't keep gov handouts going just to "keep the peace"...
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Welfare programs have to exist to keep the peace and certain people will always abuse them as it is "nature".


We have police and the national guard for that...you don't keep gov handouts going just to "keep the peace"...

Welcome to the new touchy feely America, the lunatic fringe.
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: rjundi
Welfare programs have to exist to keep the peace and certain people will always abuse them as it is "nature".


We have police and the national guard for that...you don't keep gov handouts going just to "keep the peace"...

Welcome to the new touchy feely America, the lunatic fringe.


It's more like the insane clown posse...
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
The bums live pretty good and neglect the kids.
Enough is enough already.



The great society has, predictably, not turned out to be so great.
 
If you subsidize un-productiveness, you will get more of it.

Productivity = wealth. When ~52% of the population is being subsidized by the unsubsidized minority, then there are fewer and fewer incentives to be productive and generate wealth.

Idle hands still consume, but they are not contributing to the betterment of society.
 
Originally Posted By: Tempest
If you subsidize un-productiveness, you will get more of it.

Productivity = wealth. When ~52% of the population is being subsidized by the unsubsidized minority, then there are fewer and fewer incentives to be productive and generate wealth.

Idle hands still consume, but they are not contributing to the betterment of society.



Something always lost on the socialists, for some reason.
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