Super mega "godzilla" El Niño this winter

[surfstar]

Originally Posted By: Oldmoparguy1
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Not only is global warming a farce, its a great outlet for the conceited to express their holier then thou attitudes.


global warming is a political tool used by the true delivers to bully society to their way of thinking. global warming has morphed into a true religion. A belief system and you better not disagree.


Yeah a "religion" based on science. No wonder the right won't buy any of it.

 

[Oldmoparguy1]

Originally Posted By: hatt
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/en...andal-ever.html


I've read similar writing elsewhere. Like I said, it has become a religion.

 

[hatt]

Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: hatt
What's indisputable is that the Earth's climate has varied widely throughout history before man could have possibly been a factor. Unless you understand everything about those events you're simply guessing about slight fluctuations of temps.


That's absolutely correct and not what anyone is arguing about.

BUT, now that man has come and drastically changed the landscape, maybe we are adding to climate change IN ADDITION to the normal cycles. Higher highs and lower lows. Because of what we do. That's what people should worry about.


We've been around for the blink of an eye in geologic time, yet look how drastically we have altered our world in such a short time. No species before us has made any impact compared to what we do.
What impact have we had. If we disappeared tomorrow in a thousand years you'd have to hunt to find any traces of us. The Earth has been through countless calamities that dwarf man's feeble impact of cutting trees and moving dirt around. Not to mention that man and his actions are just as natural as any other natural process.

 

[SteveSRT8]

97 different articles refuting the claim of global warming: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/19/97-articles-refuting-the-97-consensus-on-global-warming/

Another good one: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/09/modern-science-refutes-global-warming-alarmism.php

There are dozens more. This is FAR from settled, and it's not going to be any time soon...

 

[KrisZ]

Lets put an "environmental fee" on everything we buy and I'm sure we'll stop this climate doohickey in a jiff.

 

[sciphi]

Heh, the Finger Lakes can now grow grape varieties that would have been killed off over the winters of 20 years ago, and that this region is becoming increasingly better-suited for varieties that are not particularly cold-hardy. The wine growers are pretty blunt that the climate around here is moderating and the proof is in the bottle of estate-grown warmer-climate varietals. And, there is now viable wine production happening in the foothills of the Adirondack Mountains. They used to be too cold.

Proof enough for me.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Lets put an "environmental fee" on everything we buy and I'm sure we'll stop this climate doohickey in a jiff.

Yep. Put a few hundred thousand folks out of work, raise some prices on electricity, etc., a couple of new taxes here and there. Easily "fixed"!

Oooops, I forgot this one: distribute lots of money to your cronies to "help"...

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Whether the climate change or global warming is human made or not is inconsequential. Our whole existence is based on perpetual growth. We need to have more money, drive the stock prices up, spend more, sell more, the economy has to always go up, and standard of living is always going up.

Simply put the whole notion that we can stop the climate change, manmade or not, is quite laughable, especially when our leaders say that we can stop climate change by simply collecting more money, recycling and using electricity. Even if we stopped the population growth, we need to consume resources, which mean burning fuel and spending energy even to recycle.
But then how are corporations supposed to grow? How are governments supposed to collect more tax money? How are we supposed to feed the constant up trend that is drilled into us? We cannot.

The moment the cave man discovered fire, we started to affect the environment around us. There is no escaping this fact. It is the price of having an advanced civilization. We are in control of our environment and not the other way around, like with all other species on this planet.

Of course, I know that the favorite answer to the above is population control. Great! So how are we going to decide who can reproduce and who cannot? Do you have to have a certain birth status? Net worth? Go back to the feudal system (which isn't too far out as is)? Who would be overseeing all of this? Who would oversee the overseers?
You cannot do it without enslaving the population.


That was pretty good



Originally Posted By: hatt
When one of you guys produce a "model" that can stand up for 5 or 10 years let me know. Meanwhile I'll be blindly listening to Monsanto and FDA scientists about how good Roundup is for me.


HA!
Awesome

 

[cptbarkey]

I was always skeptical but I knew instantly global warming/change/cooling was a load of hogwash once the concept of carbon credits (guilty conscience) was thought up. You know what? Go ahead and send me your carbon credits, that way you can sleep well at night when you fire up your gas guzzler every day.

 

[surfstar]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
97 different articles refuting the claim of global warming: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/19/97-articles-refuting-the-97-consensus-on-global-warming/

Another good one: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/09/modern-science-refutes-global-warming-alarmism.php

There are dozens more. This is FAR from settled, and it's not going to be any time soon...


I believe you've been one to say "follow the money" in the past.

The whats up with that site:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/15/leak-exposes-heartland-institute-climate
However, Anthony Watts, a weathercaster who runs one of the most prominent anti-science blogs, Watts Up With That?, acknowledged Heartland was helping him with $90,000 for a new project. He added: "They do not regularly fund me nor (sic) my WUWT website, I take no salary from them of any kind."

The Heartland Institute, founded in 1984, has built a reputation over the years for providing a forum for climate change sceptics. But it is especially known for hosting a series of lavish conferences of climate science doubters at expensive hotels in New York's Times Square as well as in Washington DC.

The documents suggest several prominent voices in the campaign to deny established climate science are recipients of Heartland funding.


I'll again use your own words "follow the money".

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: surfstar
I'll again use your own words "follow the money".


Absolutely true and criticism accepted.

But there are 97 more where that came from. And "follow the money" works well to debunk the plans of our EPA to save us from the non existent plague....

 

[surfstar]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: surfstar
I'll again use your own words "follow the money".


Absolutely true and criticism accepted.

But there are 97 more where that came from. And "follow the money" works well to debunk the plans of our EPA to save us from the non existent plague....


Oh, come on Steve. The criticism above related to the actual source of that article, thereby refuting all of their proclaimed "97 articles". But lets dig a little deeper, just because, and select just a few of "those 97 more":
articles written by or gathered/published by:

The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) is a non-profit, libertarian think tank in the United States founded on March 9, 1984, in Washington, D.C., by Fred L. Smith, Jr. It seeks to advance economic liberty by fighting excessive government regulation because it believes that a free marketplace that allows entrepreneurship and innovation to thrive is better policy.
CEI is funded by donations from individuals, foundations and corporations. Past and present funders include the Scaife Foundations, Exxon Mobil, the Ford Motor Company Fund, Pfizer, and the Earhart Foundation.[41]

The Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation is a conservative Christian public policy group that promotes a free-market approach to care for the environment that is critical of much of the current environmental movement. In particular, the Cornwall Alliance rejects claims of detrimental global warming.[1] Originally called the "Interfaith Stewardship Alliance" it was founded in 2005 in reaction to the efforts of evangelical leaders (such as Rick Warren) to fight global warming. The name Cornwall come from the 2000 Cornwall Declaration.

Friends of Science (FoS) is a Canadian non-profit advocacy organization based in Calgary, Alberta. The organization takes a position that humans are largely not responsible for the currently observed climate change contrary to the established scientific position on the subject. Rather, they propose that "the Sun is the main direct and indirect driver of climate change" not human activity. They argued against the Kyoto Protocol.[1] The society was founded in 2002 and launched its website in October of that year
Friends of Science has been "criticized for its close financial ties to the Alberta patch.[35] In 2010, in the section on "Donations" published in the Friends of Science's newsletter in 2010, Chuck Simpson, the Past Director Friends of Science calls for fund raising to help this "small group of volunteers" with administrative costs. One of their problems is that they were unable to "attract money from corporations",[36][notes 14] although their antagonists claim the Friends of Science are funded by the petroleum industry


In the interest of time, we won't go on.
Seeing a pattern here? The supposed "scientists" against climate change, all seem to have quite the bias. One that conveniently stems from money received directly or indirectly from groups or corporations tied to oil or opposing political interests, who happen to be funded by oil/coal or similar.


To again quote NGT - “The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.”

Science stands on its own. It doesn't need funding from suspicious sources in order to contest an overwhelming majority opinion. The climate change deniers are simply paying for expert witnesses to speak on their behalf. That isn't refuting the facts properly.

 

[KrisZ]

Originally Posted By: surfstar
I'll again use your own words "follow the money".


Yes follow the money! Cap and trade in California alone is estimated to generate about 5 billion dollars annually. I'm sure they pinky swore to only spend the money on earth saving things

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
97 different articles refuting the claim of global warming: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/19/97-articles-refuting-the-97-consensus-on-global-warming/

Another good one: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/09/modern-science-refutes-global-warming-alarmism.php

There are dozens more. This is FAR from settled, and it's not going to be any time soon...

There are at least 293 Scientific Organizations that understand man-made GW and the have written at least 93,000 articles affirming their belief. That's ridiculously low.

AMERICAN SCIENTIFIC SOCIETIES:
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Geophysical Union
American Medical Association
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
The Geological Society of America
U.S. National Academy of Sciences
U.S. Global Change Research Program

Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Académie des Sciences, France
Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
Academy of Athens
Academy of Science of Mozambique
Academy of Science of South Africa
Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
African Academy of Sciences
Albanian Academy of Sciences
Amazon Environmental Research Institute
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Australian Academy of Science
Australian Bureau of Meteorology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Institute of Marine Science
Australian Institute of Physics
Australian Marine Sciences Association
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Botanical Society of America
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
British Antarctic Survey
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
California Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Canadian Association of Physicists
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Geophysical Union
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Society of Soil Science
Canadian Society of Zoologists
Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
Center for International Forestry Research
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Crop Science Society of America
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
Ecological Society of America
Ecological Society of Australia
Environmental Protection Agency
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of American Scientists
French Academy of Sciences
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
Georgian Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
InterAcademy Council
International Alliance of Research Universities
International Arctic Science Committee
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Council for Science
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
International Research Institute for Climate and Society
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
Islamic World Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Korean Academy of Science and Technology
Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Latin American Academy of Sciences
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Research Council
National Science Foundation
Natural England
Natural Environment Research Council, UK
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Network of African Science Academies
New York Academy of Sciences
Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
Oklahoma Climatological Survey
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy
Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
Royal Astronomical Society, UK
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Royal Irish Academy
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
Royal Society of Canada
Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
Royal Society of the United Kingdom
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Science and Technology, Australia
Science Council of Japan
Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Slovak Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Society for Ecological Restoration International
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of American Foresters
Society of Biology (UK)
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Sudanese National Academy of Science
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
The Wildlife Society (international)
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Forestry Congress
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

The overwhelming number of U.S. and world universities understand Man Made GW is real.

I doubt you could even name one Credible Agency that doesn't believe in Mane Made GW.

Honestly boggles my mind.

Originally Posted By: surfstar

Yeah a "religion" based on science. No wonder the right won't buy any of it.

lol..quote of the day

 

[Mamala Bay]

What about the ocean temperature changes from the Global Conveyor Belt.

Wonder why in S. Africa hurricanes break apart end up being tropical storms or depression. In Hawaii if a hurricane hits up north they break apart from the cold waters like in S. Africa. Once leaving Hawaii ocean currents start to heat up headed towards the Great Barrier Reef.

http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/conveyor.html

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/atlantic20100325.html

https://manoa.hawaii.edu/exploringourflu...l-conveyor-belt

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Paleoclimatology_Evidence/paleoclimatology_evidence_2.php

http://www.livescience.com/46548-ocean-currents-linked-ice-age-length.html

 

[Benito]

Originally Posted By: Al
There are at least 293 Scientific Organizations that understand man-made GW and the have written at least 93,000 articles affirming their belief. That's ridiculously low.

AMERICAN SCIENTIFIC SOCIETIES:
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Geophysical Union
American Medical Association
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
The Geological Society of America
U.S. National Academy of Sciences
U.S. Global Change Research Program

Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Académie des Sciences, France
Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
Academy of Athens
Academy of Science of Mozambique
Academy of Science of South Africa
Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
African Academy of Sciences
Albanian Academy of Sciences
Amazon Environmental Research Institute
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Australian Academy of Science
Australian Bureau of Meteorology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Institute of Marine Science
Australian Institute of Physics
Australian Marine Sciences Association
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Botanical Society of America
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
British Antarctic Survey
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
California Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Canadian Association of Physicists
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Geophysical Union
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Society of Soil Science
Canadian Society of Zoologists
Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
Center for International Forestry Research
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Crop Science Society of America
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
Ecological Society of America
Ecological Society of Australia
Environmental Protection Agency
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of American Scientists
French Academy of Sciences
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
Georgian Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
InterAcademy Council
International Alliance of Research Universities
International Arctic Science Committee
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Council for Science
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
International Research Institute for Climate and Society
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
Islamic World Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Korean Academy of Science and Technology
Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Latin American Academy of Sciences
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Research Council
National Science Foundation
Natural England
Natural Environment Research Council, UK
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Network of African Science Academies
New York Academy of Sciences
Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
Oklahoma Climatological Survey
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy
Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
Royal Astronomical Society, UK
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Royal Irish Academy
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
Royal Society of Canada
Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
Royal Society of the United Kingdom
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Science and Technology, Australia
Science Council of Japan
Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Slovak Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Society for Ecological Restoration International
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of American Foresters
Society of Biology (UK)
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Sudanese National Academy of Science
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
The Wildlife Society (international)
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Forestry Congress
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

The overwhelming number of U.S. and world universities understand Man Made GW is real.

I doubt you could even name one Credible Agency that doesn't believe in Mane Made GW.

Honestly boggles my mind.


Seems there's more proof of man made climate change than the existence of god.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: hatt
How is that indisputable? 2/3s of the Earth surface is made up of CO2 absorbent. We have no idea if the atmospheric CO2 increases are not a result of the oceans warming and giving off CO2. It's not as simple as looking at man's CO2 output. Volcanoes have been spewing massive amounts of CO2 for as long as the Earth has been here.


Look at the trends...even if you've got two neurons to rub together you can see that the current trend in atmospheric CO2...
* started when we started burning stored carbon.
* is increasing with the consumption of said carbon.
* merely by increasing is indicative that the sinks/stores aren't catching up (the trees aren't grabbing it and storing it like some parties say).

In order for your volcanoes to be the cause, has there been a provressive increase in vulcanism, coinciding with the industrial revolution ?

Volcanoes are your claim, therefore you can provide the evidence.

Why is there a disparity in the rate of increase in the northern hemisphere versus the southern ?

Hint: look where the oceans and volcanoes are if you are blaming oceans and volcanoes.

The fact is that since we started this experiment, CO2 levels have risen.

Note, I have not claimed what the outcome of that is, just the simple fact that we HAVE changed the atmospheric concentration of a gas.

 

[hatt]

What caused the wide variations of CO2 before humans were around?

 

[Merkava_4]

I'm gearing up for it. I'll be dumping a whole 50 pound bag of perennial ryegrass seeds on the
front lawn this Fall. That stuff will grow like sixty if it gets cool temperatures and lots of rain.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Then you will need to water it in summer and your water bill will be sky high.