If I wasn't as cash strapped as I am now, I'd buy a bottle of each and send out a sample of each for VOA, and also to see what the TBN difference is.
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum vs Ultra
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Cleaned out the local Walmart of PU 5w-20. Will now wait to see if they resupply. Have been checking every few days, when they first put them out someone cleaned out the 5w-30 immediately, and I have been slowly depleting the PU 5w-20 every time I step in the store. Decided to buy it all this evening, and will now check back and see if the PU 10w-30 goes anywhere, or if they restock the others.
Originally Posted By: 06AllAmerican
The below statement is from the Walmart site. What is the 55 average miles? Per 5k oil change? Over the life of the car? Just curious about this statement.
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Full Synthetic Motor Oil with PurePlus technology is a first of its kind. Made from natural gas, it's designed for complete protection. It keeps pistons 25 percent cleaner than the leading synthetic, lets you drive an average of 55 extra miles based on mixed city/highway miles, protects horsepower, has unsurpassed wear protection and gives you excellent performance in extreme temperatures.
Whomever worked on the Walmart site didn't copy the info correctly. It says on the Pennzoil site "2.Better Fuel Economy: Drive on average an extra 550 miles per year vs. a dirty engine."
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-ultra-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/#Benefits
The below statement is from the Walmart site. What is the 55 average miles? Per 5k oil change? Over the life of the car? Just curious about this statement.
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Full Synthetic Motor Oil with PurePlus technology is a first of its kind. Made from natural gas, it's designed for complete protection. It keeps pistons 25 percent cleaner than the leading synthetic, lets you drive an average of 55 extra miles based on mixed city/highway miles, protects horsepower, has unsurpassed wear protection and gives you excellent performance in extreme temperatures.
Whomever worked on the Walmart site didn't copy the info correctly. It says on the Pennzoil site "2.Better Fuel Economy: Drive on average an extra 550 miles per year vs. a dirty engine."
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-ultra-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/#Benefits
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Pennzoil Platinum:
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/#Benefits
(Based on Sequence IVA wear test using SAE 5W-30)
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum:
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-ultra-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/#Benefits
Unsurpassed Wear Protection: No other leading motor oil provides better protection from frictionUnsurpassed Wear Protection: No other leading motor oil provides better protection from friction
(Based on Sequence IVA wear test using SAE 5W-30)
So, these two statements combined would have to mean that Pennzoil Platinum and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum provide identical wear protection; otherwise, one of the statements would be false. How is this even possible, as they have different chemistry? One of them would have to be a little higher or lower than the other.
This shows why you should never believe marketing claims.
It's interesting that the language has changed slightly. The old bottles of Ultra and Platinum say No other leading motor oil provides better wear protection. Now, the new bottles say, "Unsurpassed Wear Protection: No other leading motor oil provides better protection from friction"
I know its marketing, but I still think it is interesting.
Another thing I noticed is no ACEA specs., A1 or A5.
Pennzoil Platinum:
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/#Benefits
(Based on Sequence IVA wear test using SAE 5W-30)
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum:
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-ultra-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/#Benefits
Unsurpassed Wear Protection: No other leading motor oil provides better protection from frictionUnsurpassed Wear Protection: No other leading motor oil provides better protection from friction
(Based on Sequence IVA wear test using SAE 5W-30)
So, these two statements combined would have to mean that Pennzoil Platinum and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum provide identical wear protection; otherwise, one of the statements would be false. How is this even possible, as they have different chemistry? One of them would have to be a little higher or lower than the other.
This shows why you should never believe marketing claims.
It's interesting that the language has changed slightly. The old bottles of Ultra and Platinum say No other leading motor oil provides better wear protection. Now, the new bottles say, "Unsurpassed Wear Protection: No other leading motor oil provides better protection from friction"
I know its marketing, but I still think it is interesting.
Another thing I noticed is no ACEA specs., A1 or A5.
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Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Pennzoil Platinum:
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/#Benefits
Unsurpassed Wear Protection: No other leading motor oil provides better protection from friction
(Based on Sequence IVA wear test using SAE 5W-30)
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum:
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-ultra-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/#Benefits
Unsurpassed Wear Protection: No other leading motor oil provides better protection from friction
(Based on Sequence IVA wear test using SAE 5W-30)
So, these two statements combined would have to mean that Pennzoil Platinum and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum provide identical wear protection; otherwise, one of the statements would be false. How is this even possible, as they have different chemistry? One of them would have to be a little higher or lower than the other.
This shows why you should never believe marketing claims.
Actually, the phrase "Unsurpassed Wear Protection" simply means: "They both pass SN sequence IVA's limits of lobe surfaces." ... We know to BE an SN oil, the oil must pass the test. Simply put, they are just delving into basic pass/fail criteria. Thats how they can make these marketing claims and get away with it (confused consumers).
Interestingly, you can compare those Pennzoil statements with Castrol GTX Synblend statements on the bottle which say "5x better Wear Protection", and there, Castrol means 5x better than the Sequence IVA limits of 90 microns, so Castrol really means "We got an 18 micron score on the Sequence IVA", more revealing than Pennzoils simple generic Captain Obvious statements.
Pennzoil Platinum:
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/#Benefits
Unsurpassed Wear Protection: No other leading motor oil provides better protection from friction
(Based on Sequence IVA wear test using SAE 5W-30)
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum:
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-ultra-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/#Benefits
Unsurpassed Wear Protection: No other leading motor oil provides better protection from friction
(Based on Sequence IVA wear test using SAE 5W-30)
So, these two statements combined would have to mean that Pennzoil Platinum and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum provide identical wear protection; otherwise, one of the statements would be false. How is this even possible, as they have different chemistry? One of them would have to be a little higher or lower than the other.
This shows why you should never believe marketing claims.
Actually, the phrase "Unsurpassed Wear Protection" simply means: "They both pass SN sequence IVA's limits of lobe surfaces." ... We know to BE an SN oil, the oil must pass the test. Simply put, they are just delving into basic pass/fail criteria. Thats how they can make these marketing claims and get away with it (confused consumers).
Interestingly, you can compare those Pennzoil statements with Castrol GTX Synblend statements on the bottle which say "5x better Wear Protection", and there, Castrol means 5x better than the Sequence IVA limits of 90 microns, so Castrol really means "We got an 18 micron score on the Sequence IVA", more revealing than Pennzoils simple generic Captain Obvious statements.
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Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Pennzoil Platinum:
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/#Benefits
Unsurpassed Wear Protection: No other leading motor oil provides better protection from friction
(Based on Sequence IVA wear test using SAE 5W-30)
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum:
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-ultra-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/#Benefits
Unsurpassed Wear Protection: No other leading motor oil provides better protection from friction
(Based on Sequence IVA wear test using SAE 5W-30)
So, these two statements combined would have to mean that Pennzoil Platinum and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum provide identical wear protection; otherwise, one of the statements would be false. How is this even possible, as they have different chemistry? One of them would have to be a little higher or lower than the other.
This shows why you should never believe marketing claims.
Actually, the phrase "Unsurpassed Wear Protection" simply means: "They both pass SN sequence IVA's limits of lobe surfaces." ... We know to BE an SN oil, the oil must pass the test. Simply put, they are just delving into basic pass/fail criteria. Thats how they can make these marketing claims and get away with it (confused consumers).
Interestingly, you can compare those Pennzoil statements with Castrol GTX Synblend statements on the bottle which say "5x better Wear Protection", and there, Castrol means 5x better than the Sequence IVA limits of 90 microns, so Castrol really means "We got an 18 micron score on the Sequence IVA", more revealing than Pennzoils simple generic Captain Obvious statements.
I don't understand how you can read their statement and think it means all they did is pass the SN test requirements. The word unsurpassed and the following statement about being better than all other leading motor oils means in this category their test results are better than all others. Unsurpassed references that they have no equal or no one better (in that category). Maybe they just passed but that means that all of the other oil companies also just passed but Pennzoil is just a little better.
Of course it could be a lie but the words are pretty clear.
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Pennzoil Platinum:
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/#Benefits
Unsurpassed Wear Protection: No other leading motor oil provides better protection from friction
(Based on Sequence IVA wear test using SAE 5W-30)
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum:
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-ultra-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/#Benefits
Unsurpassed Wear Protection: No other leading motor oil provides better protection from friction
(Based on Sequence IVA wear test using SAE 5W-30)
So, these two statements combined would have to mean that Pennzoil Platinum and Pennzoil Ultra Platinum provide identical wear protection; otherwise, one of the statements would be false. How is this even possible, as they have different chemistry? One of them would have to be a little higher or lower than the other.
This shows why you should never believe marketing claims.
Actually, the phrase "Unsurpassed Wear Protection" simply means: "They both pass SN sequence IVA's limits of lobe surfaces." ... We know to BE an SN oil, the oil must pass the test. Simply put, they are just delving into basic pass/fail criteria. Thats how they can make these marketing claims and get away with it (confused consumers).
Interestingly, you can compare those Pennzoil statements with Castrol GTX Synblend statements on the bottle which say "5x better Wear Protection", and there, Castrol means 5x better than the Sequence IVA limits of 90 microns, so Castrol really means "We got an 18 micron score on the Sequence IVA", more revealing than Pennzoils simple generic Captain Obvious statements.
I don't understand how you can read their statement and think it means all they did is pass the SN test requirements. The word unsurpassed and the following statement about being better than all other leading motor oils means in this category their test results are better than all others. Unsurpassed references that they have no equal or no one better (in that category). Maybe they just passed but that means that all of the other oil companies also just passed but Pennzoil is just a little better.
Of course it could be a lie but the words are pretty clear.
Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Actually, the phrase "Unsurpassed Wear Protection" simply means: "They both pass SN sequence IVA's limits of lobe surfaces." ...
Does the definition of the word 'unsurpassed' escape you?
Actually, the phrase "Unsurpassed Wear Protection" simply means: "They both pass SN sequence IVA's limits of lobe surfaces." ...
Does the definition of the word 'unsurpassed' escape you?
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Actually, the phrase "Unsurpassed Wear Protection" simply means: "They both pass SN sequence IVA's limits of lobe surfaces." ...
Does the definition of the word 'unsurpassed' escape you?
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Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Actually, the phrase "Unsurpassed Wear Protection" simply means: "They both pass SN sequence IVA's limits of lobe surfaces." ...
Does the definition of the word 'unsurpassed' escape you?
+1
Well, at the end of the day, the wear protection will mostly be determined by the amount of trinuclear moly, other supporting additives, and the type of detergents used, not much so by the base oil. Base oil mostly determines the OCI length and also the engine cleanness to some degree.
If one of the Pennzoil users (Cooper?) could get a VOA for us, it would be appreciated.
If one of the Pennzoil users (Cooper?) could get a VOA for us, it would be appreciated.
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Actually, the phrase "Unsurpassed Wear Protection" simply means: "They both pass SN sequence IVA's limits of lobe surfaces." ...
Does the definition of the word 'unsurpassed' escape you?
If all the oils in the comparison list pass SN Sequence IVA, then none surpass either of the Pennzoils here. Pennzoil is not saying that either oil surpasses the others.
Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Actually, the phrase "Unsurpassed Wear Protection" simply means: "They both pass SN sequence IVA's limits of lobe surfaces." ...
Does the definition of the word 'unsurpassed' escape you?
If all the oils in the comparison list pass SN Sequence IVA, then none surpass either of the Pennzoils here. Pennzoil is not saying that either oil surpasses the others.
Originally Posted By: Nate1979
I don't understand how you can read their statement and think it means all they did is pass the SN test requirements. The word unsurpassed and the following statement about being better than all other leading motor oils means in this category their test results are better than all others. Unsurpassed references that they have no equal or no one better (in that category). Maybe they just passed but that means that all of the other oil companies also just passed but Pennzoil is just a little better.
Of course it could be a lie but the words are pretty clear.
You are not even reading Pennzoil's statements correctly. Lets start with that. They say no other oil is better (you changed it to Pennzoil is better). Well of course not, since they are equal in due to the fact that they all pass SN seq iva.
Also, Your re-definition of unsurpassed ( where you said no equal) is flawed, as two things can be equal and you could say one is unsurpassed.
I don't understand how you can read their statement and think it means all they did is pass the SN test requirements. The word unsurpassed and the following statement about being better than all other leading motor oils means in this category their test results are better than all others. Unsurpassed references that they have no equal or no one better (in that category). Maybe they just passed but that means that all of the other oil companies also just passed but Pennzoil is just a little better.
Of course it could be a lie but the words are pretty clear.
You are not even reading Pennzoil's statements correctly. Lets start with that. They say no other oil is better (you changed it to Pennzoil is better). Well of course not, since they are equal in due to the fact that they all pass SN seq iva.
Also, Your re-definition of unsurpassed ( where you said no equal) is flawed, as two things can be equal and you could say one is unsurpassed.
Castrol is much clearer. Interestingly, you can compare those Pennzoil statements with Castrol GTX Synblend statements on the bottle which say "5x better Wear Protection", and there, Castrol means 5x better than the Sequence IVA limits of 90 microns, so Castrol really means "We got an 18 micron score on the Sequence IVA", more revealing than Pennzoils simple generic Captain Obvious statements.
Lets say pennzoils use of the word "unsurpassed" meant they were claiming Ultra was better than Platinum, and that Plat was better than Ultra, at the same time. Also, that both oils beat every other oil on the market. .... Those can't be true. ... Now you see why the marketers engaged in a kind of verbal slight-of-hand that fooled some readers on this forum.
Lets say pennzoils use of the word "unsurpassed" meant they were claiming Ultra was better than Platinum, and that Plat was better than Ultra, at the same time. Also, that both oils beat every other oil on the market. .... Those can't be true. ... Now you see why the marketers engaged in a kind of verbal slight-of-hand that fooled some readers on this forum.
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Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Quattro Pete, So now you understand that "unsurpassed" means "nothing else is considered better". Now you get it! Yay!
No. The definition of "unsurpassed" means having no equal.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/unsurpassed
Quattro Pete, So now you understand that "unsurpassed" means "nothing else is considered better". Now you get it! Yay!
No. The definition of "unsurpassed" means having no equal.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/unsurpassed
Originally Posted By: njohnson
Originally Posted By: 06AllAmerican
The below statement is from the Walmart site. What is the 55 average miles? Per 5k oil change? Over the life of the car? Just curious about this statement.
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Full Synthetic Motor Oil with PurePlus technology is a first of its kind. Made from natural gas, it's designed for complete protection. It keeps pistons 25 percent cleaner than the leading synthetic, lets you drive an average of 55 extra miles based on mixed city/highway miles, protects horsepower, has unsurpassed wear protection and gives you excellent performance in extreme temperatures.
Whomever worked on the Walmart site didn't copy the info correctly. It says on the Pennzoil site "2.Better Fuel Economy: Drive on average an extra 550 miles per year vs. a dirty engine."
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-ultra-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/#Benefits
THANKS!
Originally Posted By: 06AllAmerican
The below statement is from the Walmart site. What is the 55 average miles? Per 5k oil change? Over the life of the car? Just curious about this statement.
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Full Synthetic Motor Oil with PurePlus technology is a first of its kind. Made from natural gas, it's designed for complete protection. It keeps pistons 25 percent cleaner than the leading synthetic, lets you drive an average of 55 extra miles based on mixed city/highway miles, protects horsepower, has unsurpassed wear protection and gives you excellent performance in extreme temperatures.
Whomever worked on the Walmart site didn't copy the info correctly. It says on the Pennzoil site "2.Better Fuel Economy: Drive on average an extra 550 miles per year vs. a dirty engine."
http://www.pennzoil.com/motor-oil/pennzoil-ultra-platinum-full-synthetic-motor-oil/#Benefits
THANKS!
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Quattro Pete, So now you understand that "unsurpassed" means "nothing else is considered better". Now you get it! Yay!
No. The definition of "unsurpassed" means having no equal.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/unsurpassed
Wrong. Unsurpassed means "not surpassed". To surpass means "better". So, "not bettered" is the right definition, which includes the equal case. Your definition forgot to include the equal case, thats all. Pennzoil is not in trouble in court. See http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/unsurpassed
or http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/unsurpassed
Originally Posted By: FetchFar
Quattro Pete, So now you understand that "unsurpassed" means "nothing else is considered better". Now you get it! Yay!
No. The definition of "unsurpassed" means having no equal.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/unsurpassed
Wrong. Unsurpassed means "not surpassed". To surpass means "better". So, "not bettered" is the right definition, which includes the equal case. Your definition forgot to include the equal case, thats all. Pennzoil is not in trouble in court. See http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/unsurpassed
or http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/unsurpassed
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