Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Folks there may be some metal particles in the FF oil, however that is exactly what the oil filter is for...to prevent those shavings from getting to the engine itself, which it does perfectly.
Not to mention that with modern engines the machining process and cleaning process is so good that the amount of that metal is absolutely miniscule.
Honda makes some of the best, durable, trouble free, and long lasting engines in the business, if they recommend leaving in the FF with those extra additives for a certain time period, then I would heed their advice.
I think you hit the nail right on the head. Have some faith in Honda's engineers.
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
@Demanpaint:
So are you implying that Honda engineers are aiming to cause increased wear in their engines? I'm sure customers would love that.
If it were up to the Honda Engineers, and their goal was to achieve the utmost engine health, I have no doubt in my mind that they would recommend that the owner change the oil after 10 miles of gentle break-in, then again after 50 miles, then again after 100 miles, just to remove the main break-in metallic bits and flush the engine with fresh oil.
Of course at the end of the day, its not up to the Honda Engineers. Their job is done. Honda's Finance team then takes over and goes - WHATEVER MAKES THEM THE MOST PROFIT!
If they're paying for maintenance on the new vehicle, they don't want to waste money on the first, EARLY oil change on millions of cars sold.
If they're trying to make the buyer believe that purchasing their vehicle is the best value due to it's low cost of maintenance, having all the new owners bring the cars in for the first EARLY oil change after having purchased the car just a month ago, would be BAD BUSINESS.
I strongly believe everything is designed to either:
A: Make the manufacturer money
or
B: Save the owner money on maintenance.
At the end of the day, nobody gives a rats rear end about the engine. Chances are, you'll wreck the car before the warranty expires, or will sell it in order to get the newest, best thing.
At the end of the day, the engines will handle whatever you throw at them and will still be "fine" after 100k, 200k or more of use. We all know this. The question isn't about extending engine life, because honestly, how many of us will run that same car for 300K to actually see any benefit? It's about the technicality of it and if I had unlimited resources and money, I'd prove that dumping the abrasive factory fill oil is BEST!