OEM Mitsubishi Filter On a Honda?

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I have a case of 20 Mitsubishi P/N MD356000 Made in Japan oil filters. They will physically screw on to the Honda but I was wondering about the pressure relief PSI Specs. The Mitsubishi Filters were factory fitmet on the 04-06 Lancer Evolution and the 4G63 runs pretty high oil pressure (100psi)
I am trying to figure out it I can use these on the Hondas?
any suggestions on where to do a cross-reference?

http://catalog.baldwinfilter.com/ would you accept this data as a yes/

http://catalog.baldwinfilter.com/PartSpe...artnumber=B1421


looks like the Mitsubishi is rated at 20psi and the Honda is rates at 14 psi can I still use thee 20 psi ?
 
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So if I understand the engineering correctly, the purpose of the bypass valve is to open up in extreme cases, e.g. when the engine is very cold and oil is thick and resistant to flow or if the filter media is all blocked up, and allow unfiltered oil to flow to the engine and thereby prevent oil starvation.

If your filters have higher than spec pressure ratings the probability of allowing unfiltered oil to flow to the engine is reduced thereby increasing the probability of oil starvation. Now, you are in SOCAL (?) so the temps will always be high and if you do not allow these filters to get plugged up with debris (i.e. change them regularly) then I would guess there is very low risk in using them. So, go for it!
 
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So if I understand the engineering correctly, the purpose of the bypass valve is to open up in extreme cases, e.g. when the engine is very cold and oil is thick and resistant to flow or if the filter media is all blocked up, and allow unfiltered oil to flow to the engine and thereby prevent oil starvation.

If your filters have higher than spec pressure ratings the probability of allowing unfiltered oil to flow to the engine is reduced thereby increasing the probability of oil starvation. Now, you are in SOCAL (?) so the temps will always be high and if you do not allow these filters to get plugged up with debris (i.e. change them regularly) then I would guess there is very low risk in using them. So, go for it!

These were left over filters from my speedy days, I am not sure if the 6 PSID defference is critical. Who knows how accurate those bypass valves really are? I also use thicker oil and was wondering if thinner oil requires the lower or higher PSID settings. I did notice that the S2000 PSID setting were actually lower at 8 PSID. yikes I hope I am not thinking backwards here
 
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The Bypass Value

First you need to understand why the bypass valve is there. Under *ideal* conditions, the bypass valve will *never* open. Because, when it opens, the oil *by passes* the filter and goes on through to the motor, obviously unfiltered. It is a safety valve. However, in *real* operation, it opens often.


One example is when you start the motor when cold. The oil is thick and does not pass easily through the filtration medium, thus building up to a high pressure drop. So, the bypass valve opens to prevent oil-starvation of the motor. How long it stays open is dependent on how cold the oil is and how long it takes to get near operating temperature. When the pressure drop across the filtration medium drops below the bypass valve setting, then the bypass closes. Blipping the throttle while warming up is a good way to get the valve to open and send unfiltered oil to the motor. A steady warm-up rpm is probably a lot better.

Another example can occur when the motor is fully warmed. At idle, the oil pressure is about 15 to 20 psi, and the pressure drop across the filter is about 1 or 2 psi. You take off towards the redline, and quickly build oil pressure to the 70 to 80 psi range. During that full-throttle acceleration the pressure drop across the filter will exceed the bypass setting, and send unfiltered oil to the motor, until the pressure across the filter has time to equalize. During a drag race, shifting through the gears, the bypass will open several times.

A third example, which you should never experience with frequent oil and filter changes, is when a filter becomes clogged. A spin-on filter can commonly hold 10 to 20 grams of trash before it becomes fully clogged. The bypass valve opening is the only way to keep the motor from becoming oil-starved if the filter becomes clogged.
According to Purolator, the Honda OEM filter bypass setting is 12 to 14 psi, and that is how they build their motorcycle oil filter. WIX (NAPA Gold) builds their motorcycle and automobile oil filters with a bypass setting of 8 to 11 psi, while AC Delco builds theirs to a setting of 11 to 17 psi. How much do these differences matter? I don't think anyone knows, even the engineers, and each has its own set of advantages and disadvantages.

If you do lots of racing, you're probably better off with a higher bypass setting.
If you do lots of *cold* starting, especially in the winter, or seldom change your filter, I think you're better off with a lower bypass setting. However, with few exceptions, bypass pressures for spin-on filters run in the 8 to 17 psi range, and any of them should work acceptably.
 
All that is predicated on one concept; that the filter media represents the largest restriction.

But, that's not true. The oil circuit in the engine itself represent FAR more delta P than does the media. The greatest restriction to flow are the pathways themselves (journal clearances, oil squirters, pushrods, etc). The delta P across most filters is around 8-11 psi. But the delta P across the bearing journal or out the pushrod as they empty to atmospheric pressure is perhaps anywhere from 25-80 psi, depending upon the temp of the fluid and the rpm of the engine.

With the ADBV, if it's working properly, there will always be oil above the filter. As the pump pressure comes up, it will bump into that oil and push against it. There is little, if any, pressure drop across the media. About the only time that would be true is when you install a dry filter after an oil change, where the media is soaked and the can is not filled.

The filter body and media represent very little delta P in normal operation. I doubt if any of us really know just how often the bypass valve opens, but it's not nearly as frequent as one thinks.
 
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When I worked at Tires Plus, the filter that fit older Mitsubishi models and newer Turbo models had the same part number as the ones fitted to Honda engines from the 70s, 80s, and part of the 90s.

I guess the difference isn't great engough for Champ filters to make a different part.
 
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