My next Oil change (First time as a member of BITO

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Now, i am about to/ in the process of changing my car oil for the first time as a member here. I thought it may be interesting to detail the thought process etc that one goes through as an utter noob regarding the CONSIDERED approach to oil change from a Europeans perspective.


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1. What kind of vehicle you have BMW 2.0 Diesel (N47D20 engine) Turbo, DPF, EGR, Stop start (Yuk)
2. What your owner's manual says -- not just viscosity, but certifications (look for acronyms like API SM, ILSAC GF-4, etc.) and change intervals as well BMW LL04 Viscocity 0w/5w - 30/40
3. Where you live Ireland
4. How you drive (easy? hard? fast? slow?) Easy, with the odd brain [censored]
5. What your daily drive is like (short trips? long trips? city? highway?) Mostly to work (15 mls, 20 mins highway)
6. Whether your car has any known problems
Yes. (I'll expand on this later) The N47 engine is prone to timing chain failure
 
Reason for oil change: I've had the car 3 months and don't really trust the originating dealer to have done (the appraent full service) correctly. My Timing chain is making noise which according to the 5 mechanics who have listened to it (including a indipendant BMW specialist and BMW themselves) is quite normal. No, its not "normal" its actually a little intrusive once hot. (No noise from cold btw)

"Why get a car with a noisy chain?2 I hear you say, well its a long story but the answer is: "I fu*ked up"

So, i have to deal with it.

Now, "Fix the chain" will be the next thing you say and normally i'm with you......except its an engine out job and i aint got €2k to spunk on that right now. I'm going to have to work with it as it is. However, there is no Clicking or ticking, its just friction noise of the chain on the guides, According to the internet (uhoh) this isn't unexpected and i can't get a mechanic to tell me its bad so i am where i am. One interesting thing, My dealer told me that the oil he got from BMW for its pre-delivery service "was like pi$$" and i have come across that comment regarding same before, which makes me thing (stay with me here) that perhaps upping the Viscocity of the oil from (afaikt) a figure of 9.8 cSt (5w30) to something a bit higher, perhaps a robust 40. I know some of you are reading this going "oh my god change he chain ffs" but i can't just yet
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So, i've been researching the cSt's of oil, looking to see if i can use something different to help me. As far as i know, the tensioner is spring, not oil pressure based so having a low 30's oil to boost pressure (and the chain tension) isn't an issue. Also, i know you can say that if its working fine and mechanics are not worried, "Whats your problem?" well, noise is energy and if my chain is making energy, its doing so in a way which may speed upp wear ( its rattling/scaping on a very thin oil film)

So here we go, read and laugh....
 
For personal preference btw (oil) ignoring the secondary chain issue:

I won't be doing the OEM service interals. I never go more than 10k miles per annum and i don't want to go longer than 12 months between oil changes. For those who will point at my '3000 mile service interval wut?' thread and post "lol" i hear you, but BMW have recently changed the service interval on the N47 to 12months/10k miles. and that suits me fine.
 
Oil brand: Not bothered tbh
Composition: Not bothered either, i won't be doing extended drain intervals so NASA grade synthetics may possibly not be required (or will they?)
 
Since there is no "clicking or ticking" of the timing chain, and only friction noise, it doesn't seem like a candidate for sudden failure from whipping around in the chain case. How would you describe the friction noise; is it a whirring or more of a grinding? I'm thinking steel on plastic versus steel on steel. Steel on steel would obviously be a bad situation requiring immediate attention to keep metal particles from circulating in your engine.

In the way of diagnosis, cutting open the oil filter and inspecting the media could be informative. If the chain is wearing on the plastic guides, you might find its debris in the pleats of the filter element.

If you could do a UOA and determine the oil viscosity that's already in the engine, that would be helpful. I'm tempted to tell you to put a 5w40 in it to provide a thicker oil film between the chain and guides. But if it already has a 40-weight in it, that wouldn't help.

Or taking the flip side of that argument; maybe it already has a 40-weight oil and the higher oil pressure is causing too much chain tension, leading to the noise. So then maybe a 30-weight oil would help.

Since the BMW mechanics and independent specialist you have taken the car to say that the noise is normal, maybe it's just a case of you becoming familiar with the quirks of the car.
 
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I'm sure its 5w30 in the motor. The sound is of metal on plastic. Cutting open the oil filter? That's a good idea. Regarding the mechanics, I think they see so many of these that they have accepted the noise as normal. Its my first BMW and I'm not impressed.

So yea, a 40' will be my grade. Any other qualities I should look for. I've read here that magnatec can be "quiet" and Mobil 1, noisy.

What properties of oil will help sliding surfaces best?
 
I've had a look around and these are the (limitied) choices for a 40' oil to BMW LL04 in my Locality

MOBIL:

Mobil 1 ESP 0w-40
http://www.mobil.com/UK-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_ESP_0W-40.aspx

CASTROL:

Magnatec 5w-40 C3
http://www.frontier.ro/files/pdf/MAgnatec c3 5w40.pdf

Edge sport 0w-40
http://www.bp.com/assets/bp_internet/cas...t0W40_TDS_E.pdf
(Note, this one seems stanglely ellusive. I think i have seen it in my local motor factors, buts not easy found on the internet?)

Edge 5w-40 fst
http://www.opieoils.co.uk/pdfs/castrol/castrol-edge-5w-40-fst.pdf

Edge 5w-40 Turbo Diesel
http://www.opieoils.co.uk/pdfs/castrol/EDGE Range/Castrol-Edge-5W-40-TD-FST.pdf

NORTH SEA LUBRICANTS:

Wave Power Le 5w-40
http://www.northsealubricants.com/media/...ER_LE_5W-40.pdf


Magnatec is cheapest, €40/5L
Then NSL €48/5L
Then Edge €58/5L

Thoughts?
 
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No thoughts on this?
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Have I worded it wrong, or do you guys not have any knowledge of the oils listed?
 
Originally Posted By: BertieBlue
or do you guys not have any knowledge of the oils listed?

Unfortunately, most of the oils you mentioned aren't available in North America, where most of BITOG members are.

If it was my car, I'd just pick an LL-04 approved oil that's reasonably priced and readily available and call it a day.

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all posts are good posts.

Umm... yeah... I beg to differ.
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: BertieBlue
or do you guys not have any knowledge of the oils listed?

Unfortunately, most of the oils you mentioned aren't available in North America, where most of BITOG members are.

If it was my car, I'd just pick an LL-04 approved oil that's reasonably priced and readily available and call it a day.

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all posts are good posts.

Umm... yeah... I beg to differ.
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I'm having a bit of culture-shock at the moment.

I had thought the inclusion of links to the data-sheets may have helped
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I'm not going to use lard, obviously, i'm going with the NSL stuff as the Tub has no Bull***t on it and it says in big letters on the front: "Fully Synthetic"

I like the honesty of it
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Originally Posted By: BertieBlue
i'm going with the NSL stuff as the Tub has no Bull***t on it and it says in big letters on the front: "Fully Synthetic"

I like the honesty of it
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Just as long as you realize that "Fully Synthetic" does not necessarily mean group IV/V. Not that it matters when it comes to performance...
 
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