Looking at UPS and AVR protection for computer

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Nov 27, 2006
Messages
2,327
Location
1/4 Mile Track
I know nothing of those brands, but I got a 1500 VA Taiwan unit almost 6 years ago and it still works great. I just wanted to confirm that a good UPS is a good decision.
 
Here is one that you may want to look at too.

Link to APC BACK-UPS ES 10 Outlet 750VA

As I recall @ Sam's Club it sells for around $90.00?

They have a larger one too if you need it @ Sams.

No matter which one you buy don't plug in your printer to the battery backup part of the UPS just use one of the standard protection plugs on it for your printer.

If you are using DSL it a good idea to connect the phone line through the UPS too as often damage to computers comes in over phone lines.

Like Pablo I am not familiar with the brands you mentioned.

I currently have a 800 VA Belkin which has served me well for a couple of years with no issues.
 
Save yourself some money AND buy a server grade product with brickwall protection with conservative specifications:

http://www.upsforless.com/?gclid=CIag6fGPvZMCFQrVsgodGBCHCw

I picked up a recon'ed 1000VA SmartUPS Tower for $150, which is a 45lb, high-end, line interactive, full sine wave model that sells new for several times that.

Look carefully. Most of the consumer grade units do not live up to their advertised specifications, and many have relatively short service lives. Buying a new consumer grade unit is a faux value.
 
Last edited:
Originally Posted By: Volvohead
Originally Posted By: DragRace


I found these 2 models,and was wondering what your thoughts were:


http://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-CP1000A...11539690&sr=8-9

http://www.amazon.com/Cyberpower-CP685AV...11539690&sr=8-5



For $30 more, you could have this:

http://www.upsforless.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=51

While this one has a serial interface, others are USB.


Yup, that's a much better UPS. The Back-UPS RS1500 LCD (or it's sister, the 1300 LCD) is another model that I like for consumers and is a relatively new addition to APC's UPS family. Not quite as expensive as the Smart-UPS series normally is, and has a very similar feature set.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Thanks for the suggestions guys.

Still tryin to decide which one I'm goin with
12.gif
 
Originally Posted By: Buffman
I've always been pleased with APC UPS units.


Ditto that. I've used an APC unit for more than 10 years and it has saved the bacon more than a few times. I recently got this one:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?...7#productdetail

I probably could've shopped around and saved a few $, but I needed one in a hurry and this was available. I would still buy APC even at a premium price....they just work.

GrtArtiste
 
Originally Posted By: DragRace
Tonight we had our first Thunderstorm with lots of lightening,etc. when I got home,the computer was no longer on,because of the power loss.


So,It's time to think about some added protection not only from storms,but the surges we get around here as well.

I found these 2 models,and was wondering what your thoughts were:


http://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-CP1000A...11539690&sr=8-9

http://www.amazon.com/Cyberpower-CP685AV...11539690&sr=8-5

Not familiar of them, but I use this to filter North American mains on home cinema:
http://www.tripplite.com/products/product.cfm?productID=227

.... and connect this directly to it to provide additional protection:
http://www.tripplite.com/products/product.cfm?productID=111

Additionally, I use this for home office mains connectivity:
Radio Shack Wall Mount Adaptor
 
Originally Posted By: DragRace
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842102085


This only gives 6 min run time on average loads.

Whatever.
 
APC, Tripplites are the trustworthy brands to date.

I've also used/deployed(I do consultation work as well) Belkin UPSs on a regular basis (cheaper) and they don't seem to be too bad afterall.

I like Belkins and/or newer Tripplites for they are better/more advanced in technologies (not like the good ole fashioned iron-laminate step-up transformers typical in APC, which is old and clunky by my standards). Also: Belkins are fully ferrite-core switcher step ups so the efficiency is far better than, say, APC (yes, I do care about these lil differences and impact it makes on the over UPS efficiency)

Lastly, whenever you are on UPS, do not (a) daisy-chain it from 1 unit to another; and (b) check your SLA battery(s) every month and if your battery(s) have seen more than a year of service, take it out and deep-cycle it for once (discharge and then gentle recharge). Batteries that have been in service in UPSs for more than 2 years shall be carefully look at and tested every 6 months to reduce the possibility of sudden failure (you won't know if it fails until it's too late).

Cheers,

Q.

*running 2 APC BackUPS 300VA, 1 BackUPS XPS 1KVA, 1 Belkin 450VA, 1 Tripplite 300VA (really old, currently for my cable-modem+ signal booster) in my home office*
 
My SmartUPS runs a self-test every month. They will also tell you when one of the two batteries (SUA1000) is dying.

I would pose the question as to why a company who's sole focus is power protection (APC) would continue to use a technology that is "antique" unless they felt there was merit in doing so....

Belkin makes everything under the sun; they do not focus on power products, and they are (compared to APC) a relatively new player to the game.

The last time I checked, Belkin doesn't make anything comparable to APC's InfrastruXure series products, or even an enterprise-grade UPS, so while their product may be more "efficient", it doesn't necessarily make it better.

I guess I am just looking at this from the other side; why ISN'T APC using the same style step-up transformer as Belkin? Perhaps that is a question I will ask APC the next time I'm talking to them.
 
OK, went reading some APC whitepapers.

Belkin's on-line catalogue isn't working right now, so what I COULD find for their higher-end UPS's is that they are classified as an "on-line" UPS. Luckily, APC provides a whitepaper giving a detailed list of the types of UPS's available, and another that focuses on the difference between the On-Line style UPS (Belkin for example) and the Line-Interactive UPS's (Smart-UPS).

http://www.apcmedia.com/salestools/JSII-5YQSBR_R0_EN.pdf

They are not even the same TYPE of UPS, so the comparison of transformer style is not really relevant.

APC is very subjective in their comparison as well, it's a good read.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
My SmartUPS runs a self-test every month. They will also tell you when one of the two batteries (SUA1000) is dying.

I would pose the question as to why a company who's sole focus is power protection (APC) would continue to use a technology that is "antique" unless they felt there was merit in doing so....

Belkin makes everything under the sun; they do not focus on power products, and they are (compared to APC) a relatively new player to the game.

The last time I checked, Belkin doesn't make anything comparable to APC's InfrastruXure series products, or even an enterprise-grade UPS, so while their product may be more "efficient", it doesn't necessarily make it better.

I guess I am just looking at this from the other side; why ISN'T APC using the same style step-up transformer as Belkin? Perhaps that is a question I will ask APC the next time I'm talking to them.


Points well taken. My gripe with APC (even though I have them in the house also) just like many large corporates they, just like Symantecs, have lost focus on their fundamentals ever since they become bigger and bigger in the US corporate IT world: they expand on a lot of things but still stick to the old, rather inefficient technologies and would transfer their manufacturing facilites to places with lower labour costs such as India (my XP 1kVA is made in India) instead of investing more $$ on R&D.

You may say that Belkin is like jack-of-all-trades, the truth is, there are many ways to improve in an already matured square-wave interter design and keeping the frequency low and using an iron-lam step up transformer is just one of the old style technologies that's been with us since the 30s, inefficient and not-cheap (cheap is only relative if you are to look into the relative conversion efficiency of a ferrite core stepup trans from a higher freq switching perspectives).

I've been servicing all small to medium scale inverters and have torn apart many of them over the years: Belkin isn't badly built at all and their component quality is at par with APC India-made ones or even better. Only sad fact is that Belkin doesn't wanna venture into a large/enterprise scale power solutions picture for some other reasons too...

And for my take, I would go with Tripplite instead of APC (yes, my day-time job company is using APC InfraStruXure as well, but I hate it...for the price we paid so far...


Q.
 
APC's main competition USED to be MGE, but of course APC bought them
wink.gif


My Smart-UPS is made in the Philippines but of course the Belkin UPS's are made in China.....so.....

I HAVE a Belkin UPS. The battery went FUBAR and I simply replaced it with a BACK-UPS RS 1200. They (Belkin) are a more complex design based on the system they use (if it's an on-line type) and this is discussed in great detail in that white paper.

More parts doesn't make it "better", it just means there is more to go wrong. I would take an old, more "conventional" design with less points of failure over something that has NOT proven to be more reliable (lack of successful enterprise-grade products using this technology) but is touted as being "more efficient" but has FAR more in the way of components.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Originally Posted By: Volvohead
Originally Posted By: DragRace
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842102085


This only gives 6 min run time on average loads.

Whatever.


The point of a UPS is to save your equipment and shut it down properly, not to run it as long as possible when the power is out. As long as they can run long enough to get the machine shutdown gracefully then they are doing their job (at least in a home environment).
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top