JHZR2
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My 135i makes full torque from 1200 RPM on up. My saab too. Its nice, but the diesel feels different, not sure why but to me it does. Not as rapid buy more subtly powerful.
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Originally Posted By: hate2work
I think it's the one in his sig line?
Weird. Wasn't showing up for me yesterday.
Congrats on the new ride - the new E-class Bluetecs are very nice cars!
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
but the diesel feels different, not sure why but to me it does. Not as rapid buy more subtly powerful.
I have to agree. Diesels just seem more relentless in power application... more of a powerful swell that continues growing than a quick burst of power.
I think it's the one in his sig line?
Weird. Wasn't showing up for me yesterday.
Congrats on the new ride - the new E-class Bluetecs are very nice cars!
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
but the diesel feels different, not sure why but to me it does. Not as rapid buy more subtly powerful.
I have to agree. Diesels just seem more relentless in power application... more of a powerful swell that continues growing than a quick burst of power.
Originally Posted By: scurvy
I have to agree. Diesels just seem more relentless in power application... more of a powerful swell that continues growing than a quick burst of power.
Hey,thanks for the congrats.It is a very nice "ride".
As for "relentless",a year or two ago Jeremy Clarkson test drove a BMW 5 Series (European version...not available here) that featured the same 3.0 litre diesel that my "d" had.While trying to get it up to 155mph (its rated top speed) he commented "it's not exactly electric,but it *is* relentless".And,IMO,that's the perfect word to describe my "d".I've got less than 1000 miles on my Bluetec so I'm going real easy on the accelerator but I've have seen hints that it,too,is "relentless".
I have to agree. Diesels just seem more relentless in power application... more of a powerful swell that continues growing than a quick burst of power.
Hey,thanks for the congrats.It is a very nice "ride".
As for "relentless",a year or two ago Jeremy Clarkson test drove a BMW 5 Series (European version...not available here) that featured the same 3.0 litre diesel that my "d" had.While trying to get it up to 155mph (its rated top speed) he commented "it's not exactly electric,but it *is* relentless".And,IMO,that's the perfect word to describe my "d".I've got less than 1000 miles on my Bluetec so I'm going real easy on the accelerator but I've have seen hints that it,too,is "relentless".
Originally Posted By: JimFitzpatrick
Well,it's not *exactly* my dream car.That would be an MB S Class diesel (which will be arriving here soon) but I'd have to win the lottery to get that one.
The MB literature I've read suggests that 5w-30 (e.g.,Mobil 1 ESP 5w-30) is only suitable for temps up to 86 degrees and for higher temps 5w-40 is advised (or required).Can anyone confirm that this is the case for their current-day diesels?
I have the MZB GL 320 CDI, and I use Mobil 1 5w40 ESP which is approved to 229.51
Well,it's not *exactly* my dream car.That would be an MB S Class diesel (which will be arriving here soon) but I'd have to win the lottery to get that one.
The MB literature I've read suggests that 5w-30 (e.g.,Mobil 1 ESP 5w-30) is only suitable for temps up to 86 degrees and for higher temps 5w-40 is advised (or required).Can anyone confirm that this is the case for their current-day diesels?
I have the MZB GL 320 CDI, and I use Mobil 1 5w40 ESP which is approved to 229.51
You can use Delvac LE 5W30
http://www.mobil.com/Lithuania-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENCVLMOMobil_Delvac_1_LE_5W-30.aspx
which is a 228.51 oil, not a 229.51. But 228.51s are allowed in Mercedes DPF diesels:
see
http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolistenmain.php?session_id=&navigation_path=&language_id=1
sheet 223.2, p.3
The Delvac 1 LE has a high 100C vis of 12.2 and a very high TBN of 12.6, despite ash of 1.0% and P The only problem: you have to order it from Europe in 20L jugs, and it is not cheap with shipping.
Charlie
http://www.mobil.com/Lithuania-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENCVLMOMobil_Delvac_1_LE_5W-30.aspx
which is a 228.51 oil, not a 229.51. But 228.51s are allowed in Mercedes DPF diesels:
see
http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolistenmain.php?session_id=&navigation_path=&language_id=1
sheet 223.2, p.3
The Delvac 1 LE has a high 100C vis of 12.2 and a very high TBN of 12.6, despite ash of 1.0% and P The only problem: you have to order it from Europe in 20L jugs, and it is not cheap with shipping.
Charlie
Originally Posted By: JimFitzpatrick
I bought the '11 E350 Bluetec..3 litre V-6...210hp...400 ft lbs of torque.Much more refined than was the 335d's engine but not quite as zippy.
Does it have (I guess it does) a DPF? If it does then I believe the oil needs to meet 229.51.
If 229.51 is required then I would choose Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 or 5W-40.
I bought the '11 E350 Bluetec..3 litre V-6...210hp...400 ft lbs of torque.Much more refined than was the 335d's engine but not quite as zippy.
Does it have (I guess it does) a DPF? If it does then I believe the oil needs to meet 229.51.
If 229.51 is required then I would choose Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 or 5W-40.
Originally Posted By: Finn
Does it have (I guess it does) a DPF? If it does then I believe the oil needs to meet 229.51.
If 229.51 is required then I would choose Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 or 5W-40.
Again, go to
http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolistenmain.php?session_id=&navigation_path=&language_id=1
Sheet 223.2, p.3
If lived in Europe I'd buy 228.51 oil, no doubt about it; far superior to 229.51 oil.
Charlie
Does it have (I guess it does) a DPF? If it does then I believe the oil needs to meet 229.51.
If 229.51 is required then I would choose Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30 or 5W-40.
Again, go to
http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolistenmain.php?session_id=&navigation_path=&language_id=1
Sheet 223.2, p.3
If lived in Europe I'd buy 228.51 oil, no doubt about it; far superior to 229.51 oil.
Charlie
Here's what MB lists for 228.51
AD SDX PLUS + 10W40
ADDINOL EXTRA TRUCK MD 1049 LE
Agip SIGMA ULTRAPLUS TFE
Aral MegaTurboral LA 10W-40
ASTRIS DIESEL ADC-ECO
ASTRIS DIESEL ADC-X SAE 10W-40
AVIA TURBOSYNTH LOW SAPS 10W-40
Blasol DHPO 10W40
BP Vanellus Max Drain Eco
Caltex Delo XLE Multigrade
Cartechnic Motorenöl SAE 10W-40 SP
Castrol Elixion Low SAPS 5W-30
Castrol Enduron Low SAPS 10W-40
Castrol Enduron Low SAPS 5W-30
Cepsa Eurotech LS 10W-40
CEPSA EUROTECH LS 5W30
CLASSIC MEDUNA LT 1040 LA
COFRAN MARATHON MAXX 10W-40
Commercial Systhesis 10W40
Consol Premium 10W-40
CYCLON D1 EURO
DELKOL TURBOSYNTH DPF 10W-40
Diesel SP
Divinol Multimax Plus
EKO FORZA PREMIUM SYNTHETIC LOW SAPS
Elf Performance Experty LSX 10W-40
Elf Performance Experty LSX FE 10W-30
EMKA Cargo LSP 10W40
Emo Turbo Max
Euro Diesel V 10W-40 Low S.A.P.S
EUROLINE 6 10W-40
EUROLUB Supermax 10W/40
EXTROL SYNTECO
FENIX EXTRA SINT SAE 10W-40
Fuchs TITAN CARGO MAXX 10W-40
Fuchs TITAN CARGO MAXX 5W-30
Galp Galáxia Ultra LS
GLOBAL FLEET 10W40 E-6
GMC OIL OFFLIMITS 10W-40
Gulf Gulfleet Highway Blue 10W-40
GULF SUPERFLEET XLE
HESSOL DIMO EXTRA
Liqui Moly Top Tec Truck 4050
Liqui Moly TOP TEC TRUCK 4150
Liqui Moly Truck-Nachfüll-Öl
Lukoil Avantgarde Professional LS
Mabanol Argon Truck Blue 10W-40
Mabanol Argon Truck Blue 5W-30
Mannol TS-7 UHPD Blue 10W40
Max Raloy Diesel Genuine
MB 228.51 Motorenöl A 000 989 91 01 Granat
MB 228.51 Motorenöl A 000 989 94 01
Megol Motorenoel Low SAPS 10W-40
Megol Motorenoel UHPD Low SAPS
Meisteröl Truck DPF
Mercedes-Benz NFZ Motorenöl Blatt 228.51 LT
Mercedes-Benz NFZ-Motorenöl Blatt 228.51
Midland nova
Mobil Delvac 1 LE 5W-30
Mobil Delvac Alliance E7/E6 10W-40
Mobil Delvac XHP LE 10W-40
MOGUL DIESEL L-SAPS 5W-30
MOL Dynamic Mistral 10W40
Morris RING FREE ULTRA 10W/40
Motor Oil SCR 10W-40
Motorex Focus 4
MOTOREX FOCUS CNG SAE 10W/40
Motul Tekma Ultima + 10W-40
Neste Turbo E6 SAE 10W-40
NILS STRATOS
NISOTEC FAVORIT EURO 10W-40
OEST DIMO LS SAE 10W-40
Oilfino Econ T 9000 10W-40
OMV truck blue SAE 10W-40
OMV truck blue SAE 5W-30
Pakelo Goldenstar LA 51
PAKELO GOLDENSTAR LA 77-51
PALLAS 900
Panolin Diesel Synth EU-4
Paz Syntop SAE 10W-40
pennasol LIGHTTEC
Pennzoil Ultra Euro L
Petrol Turbo Diesel Ultra
Platinum Ultor Progress 10W-40
PO MAXIMUS LA 10W-40
Prista UHPD
Q8 T 905 SAE 10W-40
Qualube Supremol, SAE 10W-40
Ravenol EURO IV Truck SAE 10W-40
Repsol DIESEL Turbo UHPD MID SAPS
ROWE Truckstar 1040 HC-LA
RTO Extensia FP 10W-40
RTO Extensia FP ECO 10W-30
Select Lubricants Power 10W-40
Shell Rimula R5 LM
Shell Rimula R6 LM
Shell Rimula R6 LME
Shell Rimula Signia
Shell SL 0807
SIPS TLA - 5 - Diesel
SRS Cargolub TLA
SRS Cargolub TLS
SRS Turbo Diesel LA
Statoil TruckWay E6 S 10W-40
Super Dallas Synkat
SVG Esvaugol Low SAPS
Swd Rheinol Favorit LSAP SAE 10W-40
SYNTHOTRUCK
TAMOIL DIESEL ULTRA FE
Teboil SUPER XLD EEV SAE 10W-40
TECTROL SUPER TRUCK PLUS 1040
TECTROL SUPER TRUCK PLUS 530
Tedex Diesel Truck UHPD LSP Motor Oil
Texaco Ursa Ultra X
Tor Turbosynth LSP 10W40
Total Rubia City & Road 10W-40
TOTAL RUBIA TIR 8900 10W40
Total Rubia TIR 8900 FE 10W-30
Total Rubia TIR 9900 FE 5W-30
Triathlon Cargo Ultra SAE 10W-40
Triathlon Cargo Ultra SAE 5W-30
TURDUS POWERTEC SYNTHETIC PLUS 10W40
ULTRA UHPDO 10W40
Unimot (R) Synth 51
URANIA ECOTECH
Valvoline ProFleet LS SAE 10W-40
VICAM PLANET 10W40
winkler Truck DPF
WOLF MASTERLUBE LONGDRAIN ULTRA MS 10W-40
Wunsch TLA-Diesel
Yacco Transpro 65 SAE 10W-40
All oils above are 5W-30, 10W-30 or 5W-30. If the owner wants to use 5W-40 then I believe he needs to look at 229.51 oils.
AD SDX PLUS + 10W40
ADDINOL EXTRA TRUCK MD 1049 LE
Agip SIGMA ULTRAPLUS TFE
Aral MegaTurboral LA 10W-40
ASTRIS DIESEL ADC-ECO
ASTRIS DIESEL ADC-X SAE 10W-40
AVIA TURBOSYNTH LOW SAPS 10W-40
Blasol DHPO 10W40
BP Vanellus Max Drain Eco
Caltex Delo XLE Multigrade
Cartechnic Motorenöl SAE 10W-40 SP
Castrol Elixion Low SAPS 5W-30
Castrol Enduron Low SAPS 10W-40
Castrol Enduron Low SAPS 5W-30
Cepsa Eurotech LS 10W-40
CEPSA EUROTECH LS 5W30
CLASSIC MEDUNA LT 1040 LA
COFRAN MARATHON MAXX 10W-40
Commercial Systhesis 10W40
Consol Premium 10W-40
CYCLON D1 EURO
DELKOL TURBOSYNTH DPF 10W-40
Diesel SP
Divinol Multimax Plus
EKO FORZA PREMIUM SYNTHETIC LOW SAPS
Elf Performance Experty LSX 10W-40
Elf Performance Experty LSX FE 10W-30
EMKA Cargo LSP 10W40
Emo Turbo Max
Euro Diesel V 10W-40 Low S.A.P.S
EUROLINE 6 10W-40
EUROLUB Supermax 10W/40
EXTROL SYNTECO
FENIX EXTRA SINT SAE 10W-40
Fuchs TITAN CARGO MAXX 10W-40
Fuchs TITAN CARGO MAXX 5W-30
Galp Galáxia Ultra LS
GLOBAL FLEET 10W40 E-6
GMC OIL OFFLIMITS 10W-40
Gulf Gulfleet Highway Blue 10W-40
GULF SUPERFLEET XLE
HESSOL DIMO EXTRA
Liqui Moly Top Tec Truck 4050
Liqui Moly TOP TEC TRUCK 4150
Liqui Moly Truck-Nachfüll-Öl
Lukoil Avantgarde Professional LS
Mabanol Argon Truck Blue 10W-40
Mabanol Argon Truck Blue 5W-30
Mannol TS-7 UHPD Blue 10W40
Max Raloy Diesel Genuine
MB 228.51 Motorenöl A 000 989 91 01 Granat
MB 228.51 Motorenöl A 000 989 94 01
Megol Motorenoel Low SAPS 10W-40
Megol Motorenoel UHPD Low SAPS
Meisteröl Truck DPF
Mercedes-Benz NFZ Motorenöl Blatt 228.51 LT
Mercedes-Benz NFZ-Motorenöl Blatt 228.51
Midland nova
Mobil Delvac 1 LE 5W-30
Mobil Delvac Alliance E7/E6 10W-40
Mobil Delvac XHP LE 10W-40
MOGUL DIESEL L-SAPS 5W-30
MOL Dynamic Mistral 10W40
Morris RING FREE ULTRA 10W/40
Motor Oil SCR 10W-40
Motorex Focus 4
MOTOREX FOCUS CNG SAE 10W/40
Motul Tekma Ultima + 10W-40
Neste Turbo E6 SAE 10W-40
NILS STRATOS
NISOTEC FAVORIT EURO 10W-40
OEST DIMO LS SAE 10W-40
Oilfino Econ T 9000 10W-40
OMV truck blue SAE 10W-40
OMV truck blue SAE 5W-30
Pakelo Goldenstar LA 51
PAKELO GOLDENSTAR LA 77-51
PALLAS 900
Panolin Diesel Synth EU-4
Paz Syntop SAE 10W-40
pennasol LIGHTTEC
Pennzoil Ultra Euro L
Petrol Turbo Diesel Ultra
Platinum Ultor Progress 10W-40
PO MAXIMUS LA 10W-40
Prista UHPD
Q8 T 905 SAE 10W-40
Qualube Supremol, SAE 10W-40
Ravenol EURO IV Truck SAE 10W-40
Repsol DIESEL Turbo UHPD MID SAPS
ROWE Truckstar 1040 HC-LA
RTO Extensia FP 10W-40
RTO Extensia FP ECO 10W-30
Select Lubricants Power 10W-40
Shell Rimula R5 LM
Shell Rimula R6 LM
Shell Rimula R6 LME
Shell Rimula Signia
Shell SL 0807
SIPS TLA - 5 - Diesel
SRS Cargolub TLA
SRS Cargolub TLS
SRS Turbo Diesel LA
Statoil TruckWay E6 S 10W-40
Super Dallas Synkat
SVG Esvaugol Low SAPS
Swd Rheinol Favorit LSAP SAE 10W-40
SYNTHOTRUCK
TAMOIL DIESEL ULTRA FE
Teboil SUPER XLD EEV SAE 10W-40
TECTROL SUPER TRUCK PLUS 1040
TECTROL SUPER TRUCK PLUS 530
Tedex Diesel Truck UHPD LSP Motor Oil
Texaco Ursa Ultra X
Tor Turbosynth LSP 10W40
Total Rubia City & Road 10W-40
TOTAL RUBIA TIR 8900 10W40
Total Rubia TIR 8900 FE 10W-30
Total Rubia TIR 9900 FE 5W-30
Triathlon Cargo Ultra SAE 10W-40
Triathlon Cargo Ultra SAE 5W-30
TURDUS POWERTEC SYNTHETIC PLUS 10W40
ULTRA UHPDO 10W40
Unimot (R) Synth 51
URANIA ECOTECH
Valvoline ProFleet LS SAE 10W-40
VICAM PLANET 10W40
winkler Truck DPF
WOLF MASTERLUBE LONGDRAIN ULTRA MS 10W-40
Wunsch TLA-Diesel
Yacco Transpro 65 SAE 10W-40
All oils above are 5W-30, 10W-30 or 5W-30. If the owner wants to use 5W-40 then I believe he needs to look at 229.51 oils.
Oh yes, it is true they are all xW-30.
But that is a trivial difference particularly since Delvac 1 LE is at the high end of the 5W30 spectrum with a 100C vis of 12.2. Far more important IMHO is the low TBN (~6.4) of the 229.51 oils vs the TBN of an E6/E4 oil like the D1 LE (12.6) which gives it at least triple the lifetime to drop to a TBN of 2.5-3.0.
My experience with 229.51 oil (Castrol SLX Professional OE 5W30) was that in a 9L sump, 3.0L motor (BMW X5 35d) its' TBN had dropped to 1.5 in 10K miles and TAN rose to 4.83. It was not an encouraging experience. A 2nd trial for a 9K OCI gave the same results.
If a mfg allows the use of a superior oil (228.51, particularly if it meets ACEA E4 as well as E6; which means TBN>12), I would use it.
ACEA "E" oils, even 5W30, all have HTHS>3.5.
BTW I see a lot of 10W40s in your list!
Charlie
But that is a trivial difference particularly since Delvac 1 LE is at the high end of the 5W30 spectrum with a 100C vis of 12.2. Far more important IMHO is the low TBN (~6.4) of the 229.51 oils vs the TBN of an E6/E4 oil like the D1 LE (12.6) which gives it at least triple the lifetime to drop to a TBN of 2.5-3.0.
My experience with 229.51 oil (Castrol SLX Professional OE 5W30) was that in a 9L sump, 3.0L motor (BMW X5 35d) its' TBN had dropped to 1.5 in 10K miles and TAN rose to 4.83. It was not an encouraging experience. A 2nd trial for a 9K OCI gave the same results.
If a mfg allows the use of a superior oil (228.51, particularly if it meets ACEA E4 as well as E6; which means TBN>12), I would use it.
ACEA "E" oils, even 5W30, all have HTHS>3.5.
BTW I see a lot of 10W40s in your list!
Charlie
handsome car, no doubt-Jim how can 400 ft lbs not be entertaining?
My Z has 405 ft lbs, and it will take your breath away
My Z has 405 ft lbs, and it will take your breath away
Originally Posted By: JimFitzpatrick
Well,it's not *exactly* my dream car.That would be an MB S Class diesel (which will be arriving here soon) but I'd have to win the lottery to get that one.
You're in NH and Pep Boys has four stores in NH. And they should carry Mobil 1 ESP Forum M 5w40, which meets the requirements for the newest MB CDI engines.
But... I haven't been in a Pep Boys in the last year, so I can't say for sure that they still carry that particular oil.
Well,it's not *exactly* my dream car.That would be an MB S Class diesel (which will be arriving here soon) but I'd have to win the lottery to get that one.
You're in NH and Pep Boys has four stores in NH. And they should carry Mobil 1 ESP Forum M 5w40, which meets the requirements for the newest MB CDI engines.
But... I haven't been in a Pep Boys in the last year, so I can't say for sure that they still carry that particular oil.
Originally Posted By: m37charlie
You can use Delvac LE 5W30...which is a 228.51 oil, not a 229.51.But 228.51s are allowed in Mercedes DPF diesels:
I don't think that that's correct.*Everything* I've read (including official MB literature) indicates that 229.51 is required.My Bluetec not only has a DPF but it also has the DEF system (aka: "AdBlue") which,I assume,necessitates a particular oil which,for example,might be different than earlier diesels.
You can use Delvac LE 5W30...which is a 228.51 oil, not a 229.51.But 228.51s are allowed in Mercedes DPF diesels:
I don't think that that's correct.*Everything* I've read (including official MB literature) indicates that 229.51 is required.My Bluetec not only has a DPF but it also has the DEF system (aka: "AdBlue") which,I assume,necessitates a particular oil which,for example,might be different than earlier diesels.
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Originally Posted By: Tornado Red
You're in NH and Pep Boys has four stores in NH. And they should carry Mobil 1 ESP Forum M 5w40, which meets the requirements for the newest MB CDI engines.
Correct...I was just in a Pep Boys in Massachusetts (yuk!) the other day and stocked up on ESP Formula 5w-40.They also carried the 5w-30 but I've already got a supply of Fuchs 229.51 approved 5w-30 (less that $7/litre...not bad at all) so I passed on it.
You're in NH and Pep Boys has four stores in NH. And they should carry Mobil 1 ESP Forum M 5w40, which meets the requirements for the newest MB CDI engines.
Correct...I was just in a Pep Boys in Massachusetts (yuk!) the other day and stocked up on ESP Formula 5w-40.They also carried the 5w-30 but I've already got a supply of Fuchs 229.51 approved 5w-30 (less that $7/litre...not bad at all) so I passed on it.
Originally Posted By: JimFitzpatrick
Originally Posted By: scurvy
5w40 or 0w40 are definitely preferred viscosities. Mobil 1 0w40 is very popular with the MB crowd for older vehicles requiring 229.5; Mobil 1 5w40 ESP is available at Pep Boys and approved to 229.51.
What car did you actually just buy?
Except,perhaps,for reasons of fuel economy 5w-40 would certainly be preferable to 5w-30 for hot weather driving but I'm wondering if MB *requires* it.I'm familiar with Mobil 1 ESP 5w-30 from my days with my previous diesel...a BMW 335d and,as you said,it is available at Pep Boys (I was just there today).Basically I'm trying to get a supply in at a discount...like the $6.80/litre I just paid for Fuchs 229.51 approved oil (shipping included).I suppose I'll just buy some Mobil 1 ESP 5w-40 at Pep Boys at $8.50/litre for peace of mind (they were out of the 5w-40 today).
I bought the '11 E350 Bluetec..3 litre V-6...210hp...400 ft lbs of torque.Much more refined than was the 335d's engine but not quite as zippy.
castrol slx @ bmw dealer can be had for $6.25 good luck
Originally Posted By: scurvy
5w40 or 0w40 are definitely preferred viscosities. Mobil 1 0w40 is very popular with the MB crowd for older vehicles requiring 229.5; Mobil 1 5w40 ESP is available at Pep Boys and approved to 229.51.
What car did you actually just buy?
Except,perhaps,for reasons of fuel economy 5w-40 would certainly be preferable to 5w-30 for hot weather driving but I'm wondering if MB *requires* it.I'm familiar with Mobil 1 ESP 5w-30 from my days with my previous diesel...a BMW 335d and,as you said,it is available at Pep Boys (I was just there today).Basically I'm trying to get a supply in at a discount...like the $6.80/litre I just paid for Fuchs 229.51 approved oil (shipping included).I suppose I'll just buy some Mobil 1 ESP 5w-40 at Pep Boys at $8.50/litre for peace of mind (they were out of the 5w-40 today).
I bought the '11 E350 Bluetec..3 litre V-6...210hp...400 ft lbs of torque.Much more refined than was the 335d's engine but not quite as zippy.
castrol slx @ bmw dealer can be had for $6.25 good luck
Originally Posted By: JimFitzpatrick
Originally Posted By: m37charlie
You can use Delvac LE 5W30...which is a 228.51 oil, not a 229.51.But 228.51s are allowed in Mercedes DPF diesels:
I don't think that that's correct.*Everything* I've read (including official MB literature) indicates that 229.51 is required.My Bluetec not only has a DPF but it also has the DEF system (aka: "AdBlue") which,I assume,necessitates a particular oil which,for example,might be different than earlier diesels.
The reference I gave looks "real official" to me. Have you looked at it?
Charlie
Originally Posted By: m37charlie
You can use Delvac LE 5W30...which is a 228.51 oil, not a 229.51.But 228.51s are allowed in Mercedes DPF diesels:
I don't think that that's correct.*Everything* I've read (including official MB literature) indicates that 229.51 is required.My Bluetec not only has a DPF but it also has the DEF system (aka: "AdBlue") which,I assume,necessitates a particular oil which,for example,might be different than earlier diesels.
The reference I gave looks "real official" to me. Have you looked at it?
Charlie
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: JimFitzpatrick
Originally Posted By: rshunter
Originally Posted By: JimFitzpatrick
It's the OM642 diesel. As I said earlier...3.0/l V-6,210hp.400 ft lbs torque at (IIRC) 1700rpm.
It's better than that. Peak torque is maintained from 1,600-2,400rpm.
Sweet ride, congratulations.
True,it's not just *at* 1700 (or 1600) rpm.That torque is what sold me on my first diesel,my 3 Series.I'm a rather sedate driver (hey,I'm getting old) but it's still nice to know that you can pass on the Interstate...effortlessly...when needed.Chances are you've seen the same with your TDI.
I can do that in my 82 300CD... Heck, I can do that at reasonable speeds in my 81 240D.
YOURS is better than effortlessly Id say.
Did you get rid of the 3 series? How would you compare the two? Care to write it up in the vehicles section?
I just got a new 135i last year. Next car might be a 335d, though ive always loved the w211 CDI.
the m57 is rated at 265hp with 425lbs tq. In the 3er it's a monster.
Originally Posted By: JimFitzpatrick
Originally Posted By: rshunter
Originally Posted By: JimFitzpatrick
It's the OM642 diesel. As I said earlier...3.0/l V-6,210hp.400 ft lbs torque at (IIRC) 1700rpm.
It's better than that. Peak torque is maintained from 1,600-2,400rpm.
Sweet ride, congratulations.
True,it's not just *at* 1700 (or 1600) rpm.That torque is what sold me on my first diesel,my 3 Series.I'm a rather sedate driver (hey,I'm getting old) but it's still nice to know that you can pass on the Interstate...effortlessly...when needed.Chances are you've seen the same with your TDI.
I can do that in my 82 300CD... Heck, I can do that at reasonable speeds in my 81 240D.
YOURS is better than effortlessly Id say.
Did you get rid of the 3 series? How would you compare the two? Care to write it up in the vehicles section?
I just got a new 135i last year. Next car might be a 335d, though ive always loved the w211 CDI.
the m57 is rated at 265hp with 425lbs tq. In the 3er it's a monster.
Originally Posted By: m37charlie
The reference I gave looks "real official" to me. Have you looked at it?
Hey,anything's possible.But the manual says 229.51,so that's what I'll go with.
The reference I gave looks "real official" to me. Have you looked at it?
Hey,anything's possible.But the manual says 229.51,so that's what I'll go with.
Trying not to get aggressive, but have you looked at the Mercedes Operating Fluid Specifications?. And good luck with 229.51 fluids, if you do a UOA you will find that TBN is severely depleted after 10K miles.
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Originally Posted By: m37charlie
Trying not to get aggressive, but have you looked at the Mercedes Operating Fluid Specifications?. And good luck with 229.51 fluids, if you do a UOA you will find that TBN is severely depleted after 10K miles.
I haven't looked at the specs and,given that I'm a rank amateur when it comes to chemical (and mechanical) engineering,it probably wouldn't do much good if I did.I hope to keep my Bluetec for 75K miles (or more) so one thing I'm planning to do is double up on MB's OC requirements....6 months or 5K miles.I'll be sticking with whatever oil MB requires for as long as it's under warranty (4 years,50K miles).After that I might consider other options if knowledgeable folks reccomend them.
And just out of curiosity I see in your sig that you have a BMW diesel.My previous ride was a 335d so I'm familiar with BMW's "LL-04" oil spec which,it would seem,is *very* similar to MB's 229.51.Do you use "LL-04" spec oil in your BMW diesel?
Trying not to get aggressive, but have you looked at the Mercedes Operating Fluid Specifications?. And good luck with 229.51 fluids, if you do a UOA you will find that TBN is severely depleted after 10K miles.
I haven't looked at the specs and,given that I'm a rank amateur when it comes to chemical (and mechanical) engineering,it probably wouldn't do much good if I did.I hope to keep my Bluetec for 75K miles (or more) so one thing I'm planning to do is double up on MB's OC requirements....6 months or 5K miles.I'll be sticking with whatever oil MB requires for as long as it's under warranty (4 years,50K miles).After that I might consider other options if knowledgeable folks reccomend them.
And just out of curiosity I see in your sig that you have a BMW diesel.My previous ride was a 335d so I'm familiar with BMW's "LL-04" oil spec which,it would seem,is *very* similar to MB's 229.51.Do you use "LL-04" spec oil in your BMW diesel?
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