Is this oil good?

Garak · Jul 4, 2014

Originally Posted By: chrisri
And this only API CF is a bit odd for a high end oil.Maybe bcs it isn't sold in NA?

As Quattro Pete states, it's marketed for older diesels. Not only is the API rating a bit dated, look at the ACEA specifications. Not everywhere in the world has ULSD. Finding an oil like that in Canada would be a bit of a challenge.

m37charlie · Jul 4, 2014

Delvac 1 SHC 5W40 TBN=16 is available from US Mobil marine distributors. I bought 55 gal a few yrs ago, have 22 gal left.

Charlie

chrisri · Jul 4, 2014

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: chrisri
And this only API CF is a bit odd for a high end oil.Maybe bcs it isn't sold in NA?

As Quattro Pete states, it's marketed for older diesels. Not only is the API rating a bit dated, look at the ACEA specifications. Not everywhere in the world has ULSD. Finding an oil like that in Canada would be a bit of a challenge.

Garak did you read thread? This is new oil marketed for new IVECO Euro 6 engine with 150k km OCI. What is wrong with ACEA spec's?

Quattro Pete · Jul 4, 2014

Originally Posted By: chrisri
Garak did you read thread? This is new oil marketed for new IVECO Euro 6 engine with 150k km OCI.

And the question I asked earlier was: does this new IVECO Euro 6 engine have a DPF? Do we know?

chrisri · Jul 4, 2014

Originally Posted By: HosteenJorje
Maybe they will bring the Yugo back too.Absolutely the worst vehicle ever sold in the US. Consumer Union said it was the worst car they ever tested and "a waste of natural resources." I believe it was a Fiat design licensed to Yugo.

Yugo was remotely based upon 1970's FIAT 127 and although 127 was decent and modern back then,Yugo car was total [censored].Build quality were bad,very bad,cars geometry was changed to the worst.Basically they took nippy economical car and changed to POS. Same thing Russians did with 124 that was among the best sport saloons in 1960's.This car was build until 2000 and was IMPROVED by removing rear brake discs in favor of drums.

chrisri · Jul 4, 2014

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: chrisri
Garak did you read thread? This is new oil marketed for new IVECO Euro 6 engine with 150k km OCI.

And the question I asked earlier was: does this new IVECO Euro 6 engine have a DPF? Do we know?

I have no idea,probably not. Does American HD diesels have them?

yonyon · Jul 4, 2014

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: chrisri
Garak did you read thread? This is new oil marketed for new IVECO Euro 6 engine with 150k km OCI.

And the question I asked earlier was: does this new IVECO Euro 6 engine have a DPF? Do we know?

Quote:
The post-treatment system uses a catalytic converter (SCR) which uses the chemical reaction with the water-urea solution (AdBlue) to convert the nitrogen oxide emissions produced during combustion into nitrogen (N2) and water vapour (H2O).

The absence of both the EGR system and of an active regeneration particulate filter (DPF) also ensures increased engine reliability.
- See more at: http://www.iveco.com/en-us/press-room/ki...h.OQ7Rgivx.dpuf

Garak · Jul 4, 2014

Originally Posted By: m37charlie
Delvac 1 SHC 5W40 TBN=16 is available from US Mobil marine distributors.

I should ask about it next time I'm at Imperial Oil and see what they say to me.

Originally Posted By: chrisri
Garak did you read thread? This is new oil marketed for new IVECO Euro 6 engine with 150k km OCI. What is wrong with ACEA spec's?

I read the thread. Have you read the relevant API or ACEA sequences? I have. It may be marketed towards one or two newer products and have those approvals, but its specifications indicate it is most suited for older vehicles. It is also best suited in places where there is no ULSD. Obviously, it's not just marketed for the vehicle in question, since it doesn't have only one builder approval.

The average new heavy truck here will call for a CJ-4 oil with additional builder approvals. This product would be almost useless in North America except for those with legacy equipment. Most of the builder approvals are fairly dated. Contrast the builder approval and ACEA approval list on the oil in this thread to Mobil's flagship HDEO:

CJ-4/SM; ACEA E7 and E9; Caterpillar ECF-3, ECF-2; Cummins CES 20081; Twin Disc S364A; Detroit Diesel Power Guard Oil Specification 93K218, 93K214; Deutz DQC III-10 LA; Mack EO-O Premium Plus, EO-N Premium Plus 03; MAN M 3277; MB-Approval 228.31, 235.27; MTU Oil Category 2.1; and Volvo VDS-4, VDS-3.

In my buddy's old 12 valve Cummins, I'd have no issue using the Urania 5w-30. In a brand new Cummins, it wouldn't meet the specifications. Imperial Oil (Mobil/Esso) used to market an oil here with similar specifications in 5w-30 a number of years ago. They do not, as a rule, market any HDEOs that are earlier than CJ-4, except for certain two stroke applications. Up here, they yanked everything older off the market when the CJ-4 rollout occurred years back.

High SA dual rated HDEOs are almost non-existent here now.

Quattro Pete · Jul 4, 2014

Originally Posted By: yonyon

The post-treatment system uses a catalytic converter (SCR) which uses the chemical reaction with the water-urea solution (AdBlue) to convert the nitrogen oxide emissions produced during combustion into nitrogen (N2) and water vapour (H2O).

The absence of both the EGR system and of an active regeneration particulate filter (DPF) also ensures increased engine reliability.

Thanks. So that's probably why high SAPS oil is fine for it.

chrisri · Jul 5, 2014

Ok Garak,thanks.It wasn't my intention to sound rude.Thanks for your input here.So let see if i get this right.This is a fully synthetic oil (-55 pour point) but with high SAPS and strong additive, long drain target at diesels without DPF or EGR.Is it safe to say this oil will work ok in a old petrol car with normal drain and in a old diesel car without modern emission control?I know im anal but my Escort will not live enough to use all of it so i was thinking to give some to my friends that run some old early 90-s cars but obviously do not want them to have oil related problems.

m37charlie · Jul 5, 2014

ACEA E4 oils with TBN=16 and SA 1.8-1.9% are for diesels without DPF and do not have a gasoline rating for good reasons:
tendency to form deposits on spark plug and valves.
I use a similar oil in my Unimog.

Charlie

Garak · Jul 5, 2014

Originally Posted By: chrisri
So let see if i get this right.This is a fully synthetic oil (-55 pour point) but with high SAPS and strong additive, long drain target at diesels without DPF or EGR.Is it safe to say this oil will work ok in a old petrol car with normal drain and in a old diesel car without modern emission control?

I would agree with what m37charlie said about it. I would agree it's a fine oil, but for its intended purposes. For most gasoline automotive applications (even older ones), I'd be cautious. If it was something like outdoor power equipment, or something agricultural that saw very little use, I might consider it if I had it laying around. But, for the reasons he indicated, I'd avoid running it in a gasoline engine that sees significant use, including most automobiles.

On the other hand, I'm sure it would be absolutely fine in and old diesel, where this oil's specifications would easily meet or exceed what the vehicle requires, especially in places without ULSD. If there is ULSD, I imagine one could extend the OCI substantially.

skellyman · Jul 9, 2014

Why is everyone suprized to see CF rateing ?
Outside of the EU and N, America CF is still well accepted due to high sulphur fuels.

Garak · Jul 9, 2014

It's not really surprising or shocking. That just means its useful for certain applications, and not others, just like CJ-4 is useful for some applications, and not others.

CJ is still acceptable for a lot of diesels on the road - there are many, many old Cummins out there. It's just not as useful here, with ULSD and the backwards compatibility of CJ-4.

yvon_la · Jul 9, 2014

https://valvoline.com/products/consumer-products/motor-oil/diesel-motor-oil/11

Garak · Jul 10, 2014

NAPA Canada seems to be afraid to list the price of this Valvoline in their catalogs.

Of course, that's a NAPA issue and not a Valvoline issue.

chrisri · Jul 10, 2014

Originally Posted By: skellyman
Why is everyone suprized to see CF rateing ?
Outside of the EU and N, America CF is still well accepted due to high sulphur fuels.

This is oil for new trucks in EU,for euro6 engines. However trucks in Europe do not use standard DPF,they use Adblue for emissions control. Also in EU we have ULSD fuel and this oil works with it. But this oil is't appropriate for new American diesel engines and also European with standard Dpf.This is why it carry API CF designation.

Is this oil good?

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