Originally Posted by Burt
Originally Posted by Rmay635703
Originally Posted by Burt
Refiners aren't large electricity users relative to the volume of oil they process. Please cite the basis for your statement.
Please cite the basis for saying Wisconsin is 90% hydro and coal
Hmm, a gallon of gas takes more energy to produce than even I thought
I didn't say Wisconsin , my local area had 100% of its power requirements met by a set of hydro plants and one old coal fired plant that ran only on the winter up through the 70's local population has not increased, local power demands are lower now than historically.
Now days The county I live in makes most of the power for the entire state
but historically that wasn't the case, definitely a case of not in my back yard.
The coal fired plants here are of zero benefit to the local grid just a tax burden since we only use about 2% of the power locally but get to pay for the construction
8 kwh per gallon, Oh puhlease... At 8 kwh per gallon and 10 cents per kwh, that's 80 cents per gallon! And if oil is $60 per barrel, that's $1.25 per gallon for feedstock cost. So $2.05 per gallon before you add taxes, royalties, transportation, gas station margin and recovery of capital, income taxes and labor etc. You need to tell those silly oil companies that they are losing money big time on every gallon they sell!
Explains the $20b in oil subsidies
Source...
In a 2008 report, Argonne National Lab estimated that the efficiency for producing gasoline of an "average" U.S. petroleum refinery is between 84% and 88% [1. Wang, M. (2008), " (
www.transportation.anl.gov) Estimation of Energy Efficiencies of U.S. Petroleum Refineries," Center for Transportation Research, Argonne National Laboratory], and Oak Ridge National Lab reports that the net energy content of oil is approximately 132,000 Btu per gallon [1. Davis, S., Susan W. Diegel, and Robert G. Boundy (2009), Transportation Energy Data Book, edition 28, National Transportation Research Center, Oak Ridge National Laboratory].
It is commonly known that a barrel of crude oil generate approximately 45 gallons of refined product (refer to NAS, 2009, (
www.nap.edu) Hidden Costs of Energy: Unpriced Consequences of Energy Production and Use, The National Academies Press, Table 3-4 for a publication stating so).
Thus, using an 85% refinery efficiency and the aforementioned conversion factors, it can be estimated that about 21,000 Btu -- the equivalent of 6 kWh -- of energy are lost per gallon of gasoline refined: