Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding...yes folks we have a winner!!quote:
Originally posted by TallPaul:
Let's give it it's own forum, Thick vs. Thin. Worked to consolidate GC discussion.
Paul, looks like you just won the boobie prize.
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding...yes folks we have a winner!!quote:
Originally posted by TallPaul:
Let's give it it's own forum, Thick vs. Thin. Worked to consolidate GC discussion.
Give us the links to all you find in the UOA section. Heck, let me make it real easy for you, find at least one.quote:
Originally posted by moribundman:
If a 5W-30 shears to 5W-20, does that imply a 5W-20 will stay in grade?
YES! Please show us where VW specifies 5w20 for all temp ranges especially high speed driving. Obviously 5w20 is available in Europe for low temps. But for fuel economy at 120kph on a 30C day? I don't think so.quote:
Originally posted by moribundman:
[QB] Does anybody want me to scan my '89 German manual which lists 5W-20 for my VW? I don't know why now some of you claim that 5W-20 oil does not exist in Europe. 5W-20 oil HAVE been around for a long time! Of course that doesn't mean people use them.
"Obviously"? The repeatedly made claim that 5W-20 wasn't and isn't available in Europe says the opposite of what you claim to be obvious. As I pointed out in an earlier post in this thread, 5W-20 was listed already in my '89 VW's case as an option for temperatures under 10 degree F. I was just trying to show that the claim that 5W-20 was not specified in Europe was erroneous. I think I've also made it clear on more than enough occasions that I would never use that stuff.quote:
YES! Please show us where VW specifies 5w20 for all temp ranges especially high speed driving. Obviously 5w20 is available in Europe for low temps. But for fuel economy at 120kph on a 30C day? I don't think so.
Find one what? An example of a 5W-20 staying a 5W-20 or what? Maybe you could be a bit more specific.quote:
Give us the links to all you find in the UOA section. Heck, let me make it real easy for you, find at least one. [Wink]
Yes. Find examples of 5W-20s not staying a 5W-20 in the UOA section. I see you read and think slowly, so I will type these post slower for ya'.quote:
Originally posted by moribundman:
Find one what? An example of a 5W-20 staying a 5W-20 or what? Maybe you could be a bit more specific.
As Dennis Miller would say upon entering a confessional, "You first".quote:
Originally posted by moribundman:
What about you giving us links to all the 5W-30 oils that sheared to a 5W-20? Obviously you keep track, so you should be able to back up your claim, which, by the way, I'm in no way disputing, with hard data!
See below.quote:
Yes. Find examples of 5W-20s not staying a 5W-20 in the UOA section. I see you read and think slowly, so I will type these post slower for ya'. [Razz] [Big Grin]
You came up with the suggestion of citing source material to back up claims, so the honor is all yours. UOAs -- very dangerous. You go first.quote:
As Dennis Miller would say upon entering a confessional, "You first". [Big Grin]
Well, after research, given that it came out in 1974 during the "oil crisis" and given Mobil's claims it improved mileage by 5%, I guess it was introduced as a 0W-20 due to the enhanced fuel economy aspect.quote:
Originally posted by ex_MGB:
Does anyone know why Mobil chose to bring out the original Mobil 1 in 0W-20? Were they trying to achieve the same wear as the contemporary dino higher viscosity oils?
OK wimpy, here it is.quote:
Originally posted by moribundman:
UOAs -- very dangerous. You go first.
Oh, I see your not only a wimp, but lazy too.quote:
Originally posted by moribundman:
And what about dino 5W-20 oils?
Yes. I imagine that we don't see much use of 5w-30 in Europe either ..yet is the number one oil used here. Why is that? Do we destroy engines here with its use? Does Europe save engines without its use? (visions from RoboCop as Jerry Orbach plays a SWAT team leader/negotiator talking with a form city employee gone postal- "I want a big car that goes really fast and get really $hitty gas mileage!!" .."Sure, pal. How about a 2000 SUX? I'll even throw in a Blaupunkt.").quote:
Originally posted by TallPaul:
I should hope that Europe is not so unfree that the people could not get 5w20 oil if the consumer demand were large enough and that the automakers could not specify it, were it better for the engine.
I certainly agree that it's not "better" for the engine. I think it's also not worse. It seems to me that America's junkyard "fleet" is the best evidence on the planet that oil selection and even most drain habits are completely irrelevant to engine life.
IMHO, the simple fact is that 20-weight oils DO exist only for gas mileage; it's just that oil viscosity is one of the least significant factors there is to engine life.
This is a joke, right?quote:
Originally posted by Gary Allan:
Excessive shear of 20 weights:
5w-20 shearing out of grade UOA UOA
Yeah, guess you're right. It was a dumb idea.quote:
Originally posted by 427Z06:
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding...yes folks we have a winner!!quote:
Originally posted by TallPaul:
Let's give it it's own forum, Thick vs. Thin. Worked to consolidate GC discussion.
Paul, looks like you just won the boobie prize.
No, on the contrary, I thought it was a great idea.quote:
Originally posted by TallPaul:
Yeah, guess you're right. It was a dumb idea.
No problem, I'm one step behind you. And I hear it only gets worse.quote:
Originally posted by Gary Allan:
No!I'm dead serious!!(or did I have a brain ****They happen from time to timeI'm told it's all part of the aging process)