Honda 0w20, Honda Insight, 4875miles

[cheetahdriver]

this is the only oil honda sells under their marque that says "made in japan" (that i found).


Blackstone Labs

MI on Oil 4875 (was 14875, corrected at posters request)
MI on Unit 88725
Make Up Oil Added 0 qt

ALUMINUM 0
CHROMIUM 0
IRON 7
COPPER 4
LEAD 0
TIN 0
MOLYBDENUM 749
NICKEL 0
MANGANESE 0
SILVER 0
TITANIUM 0
POTASSIUM 2
BORON 23
SILICON 19
SODIUM 6
CALCIUM 1963
MAGNESIUM 51
PHOSPHORUS 758
ZINC 922
BARIUM 0

SUS Viscosity @ 210F 51.1
cSt Viscosity @ 100C 7.60
Flashpoint in F 410
Fuel % Antifreeze % 0.0
Water % 0.0
Insolubles % 0.3
TBN 2.1

 

[HTSS_TR]

Mileage on oil is 4875 miles or 14875 miles ? If it is 4875 miles with TBN of 2.1, this is not a good synthetic oil. If it is 14875 miles then it is a very good synthetic oil.

 

[hate2work]

Yeah, is the typo is the title or the body of what you wrote?

4875 or 14875 miles?

 

[deven]

Is the Moly number a typo too? Holy Moly @749

 

[HTSS_TR]

Most Redline has that much Moly or more.

 

[cheetahdriver]

ouch, sorry guys the title is right, 4875 miles.

have asked to have it changed.

 

[deven]

Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
Most Redline has that much Moly or more.


Never seen any dino or synthetic oil with that much moly except for redline. This definately is not redline oil.

 

[OMCWankel]

Very good report, Cheetahdriver!

Other Honda factory oil reports show high moly, seems to work well in this application. Lots of start/stop engine cycles for the hybred.

Your fuel is less than 0.5%, do you have a problem with fuel in the oil like the Prius drivers?

 

[ffxfina3]

Hi Cheetahdriver, thanks for posting your UOA. What year is your Insight? FYI, I have a few UOAs posted here for my 2000 Insight using Pennzoil Platinum 0w-20. But I've been considering trying the Honda brand 0w-20 also for a few runs.

 

[theaveng]

Is this the 3 cylinder or 4 cylinder insight. Also: CVT or stick shift?
This is the third Honda oil I've seen with low TBN. I don't see how it could reach 7500 miles without turning acidic.

 

[volk06]

Originally Posted By: theaveng
Is this the 3 cylinder or 4 cylinder insight. Also: CVT or stick shift?
This is the third Honda oil I've seen with low TBN. I don't see how it could reach 7500 miles without turning acidic.




TBN retention is not linear. Many oils get down to 2.0 TBN and stays there for thousands of miles.

 

[theaveng]

Well not this oil. Another ~5800 mile run shows around 0.5 on this oil.

So how do we decide that TBN == 1.0 is the time to change the oil? Why not 2 or 3? Also could an oil with a high base cause any metal damage?

 

[volk06]

Originally Posted By: theaveng
Well not this oil. Another ~5800 mile run shows around 0.5 on this oil.

So how do we decide that TBN == 1.0 is the time to change the oil? Why not 2 or 3? Also could an oil with a high base cause any metal damage?


Laboratory recommendations. 1.0 means there is active life left but it is becoming depleted.
Depending on the oil most TBN start between 8-10 and rapidly go down to 2-3 tbn in 5k but stay there for another 5k.

 

[theaveng]

Awww now I understand. I recall from college chemistry that a high base is just as caustic as an acid, but maybe that doesn't apply to oils even if the TBN was 20.

 

[gpshumway]

Holy thread resurrection! Original post is from 2009.

 

[steve20]

Originally Posted By: gpshumway
Holy thread resurrection! Original post is from 2009.





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