So it's fair to say for now the problem is solved by the new filter, and you are going to keep it at that unless the noise returns?
I had good vibes from PP lately on two cars and my lawn mower, 5w 30.
Here comes the MC FL-820S test...
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I had good vibes from PP lately on two cars and my lawn mower, 5w 30.
I know, I have most of the parts together (incl. old school ratcheting tensioners), but work has been insane, we can't hire anybody (worth hiring), so there's no time to tear it apart & put it back together. The randomness with which it has been acting up is weird too-it used to be able to handle 3 days of sitting & be fine, but the XG2 I had on eventually couldn't go a day. I've had great luck with Ultras on everything else.
It's lasted a day so far, I'll probably fire it up Sunday (5 days) & see what it does. The MCs are dirt cheap, $3.79 at WM, if it can go even 3K I'll do a "reverse Ultra" OCI, 2 filters per 6K!
BW, I bet this is your problem. My son says the Ford techs at his dealership are replacing them left and right.
But, most get the whole 9 yards done when in there.
If Ford knew their FL-820S were a problem, don't you think they would have pulled it by now?
I did run it today (sat 4 days), and there was a little noise, but no hitting the inside of the cover this time. If I can squeeze another year to 10K out of the tensioners, then I’ll tear into it.
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We just retired a 1996 Crown Victoria ex-cop car with 366,000 miles using the Fl-820s oil filter because of the severe rust issues underneath the vehicle. All this paranoia is rediculous on this forum with this oil filter.
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idk why you are running 5w20. my f150 just turned 240k miles. the last 125k have been with 40 and 30 grades 2ith fram ultra and mc filters. its not rattled in years. ive never changed anything. never had a tensioner or cam phaser issue.
switch to m1 0w40 and watch the noise become a distant memory
I found my tin snips. I have a used 820S waiting to be cut open. Records show it was installed at 95827 miles, assuming it was in fact installed then. It's possible they only did a drain and fill. I don't know. I bought the car at 97k miles. I changed the filter and oil at 98425. So it has at least 2500 miles on it. When I get time I'm going to cut it open and document...
Just curious, do you apply a 0.000000000001% of products "looks bad" so they're all garbage standard to all products or just a personal vendetta against this filter?If it's not torn and looks good, then I guess every 820 in the world is proven to be perfect.
Every product, including the best ever made and very very high dollar items do have failures. It's the bain of mass production to deliver low cost high quality items. A bad batch of materials, an employee having a bad day, a robotic arm not operating correctly...
Like I said before, there have been plenty of torn FL820 posted here to know that of all the Motorcraft filters it tears and looks the worse of the Motorcrafts. It's been going on for years, so whatever materials, manufacturing processes, QA, etc involved with them don't seem to be up to the standards of the others like the FL500/FL400/FL910 etc. Just the way it is, so it's silly to keep saying the FL820 is a darling filter. Most look OK, some (more than what should) don't look OK, and some tear ... just the way it is. No matter what you say won't change that, so enjoy 'em.
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BTW ... go do some searches. In only 5 minutes I found these threads in this forum showing torn or ugly FL820S filters. It's all out there, go find out for yourself.
Torn FL820S Threads:
Motorcraftf Fl820s 1,310 miles, 109 hours
This is off of a 2016 F450 6.8L V10 with 8,130 miles on it. This is a municipal bucket truck that works on lights and parks and high idles for long periods of time while working on the bucket. Oil used was Motorcraft 5w30 blend. Vehicle gets serviced every 6 months and the conversion for this...
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FL820S Cut Open - '08 Lincoln Navigator 5.4
Decided to cut open the FL820S that was in my brother's Navigator with ~215k miles. We do oil changes according to the vehicle's oil monitoring system. The metal end cap fell off of the filter element as soon as I opened it up. The pleating was folded over in one spot and when I pulled one...
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Another motorcraft failure
I've seen online where the 820 filter tears but the fl500s and fl910s are holding up better. I decided to cut open one from a work truck service this week. It's off of a 2014 F150 with the 5.0 engine. Filter is a Fl500s used with havoline pro ds 5w20 for 3,500 miles. There is a small tear at the...
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Motorcraft FL820s fail
First experience with a Motorcraft oil filter. This was on my 2008 f350 for about 10 months and 2500 miles. 2 fails in 1 can. 1st the dome end metal endcap wasn't bonded to the adhesive and fell off. I can live with that, the leaf spring held it all togeather. The 2nd and most unacceptable...
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METALSLUG First ever oil filter cut open FL820s
I never believe motorcraft FL820s having tear problem. Today I brought an old FL820s to work and let my coworker cut one open........ stay tune .... for the true or just bunch of spreading rumor.... stay tune until I get home will post some pix
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Ugly (but not torn) FL820S Threads (and there are more):
Motorcraft FL820S cut open 2k miles
Cut open after 6 months and 2k miles of city use. End cap fell off when I pulled the cartridge out. My last time using an FL820S on this car. Replaced with a Fram ultra XG2. I had old hard drive magnets on the end of the filter and as you can see they did a good job of catching iron particles...
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Cut open Motorcraft FL820S
Off a Crown Vic, 4.6 2v. Ran 3000 miles with Mobil Super Synthetic 0w-20. Filter media not torn at this short OCI. Everything looks okay (besides the can mauled open with dull tin snips). I did open/seperate the pleat sections that were large/irregularly gapped, no tearing. Obviously the...
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i will for another 100k miles and then ill get a new truck. 240k and counting.......
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ive cut open many of my filters. never had one torn. maybe its a fluke?
Unless.......never mind, l don't need a vacation.If it's not torn and looks good, then I guess every 820 in the world is proven to be perfect.
See added links in post #32 above ... lots of "flukes" I guess.
That’s why I call it a “test”-I’m fully aware of the media issues with these, and I want to prove that they can stand up to an average OCI, using the recommended grade/weight of oil, without media tearing. AFAIK, only THREE modular Ford filters have the base end bypass-the standard MC FL820-S (cheap), the Baldwin (twice as much), and the Racing filter (4X OR MORE than the regular one). I know Purolator standard media filters use weak, brittle media, I’ve cut enough open to know they’re not indestructible.
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idk. i stopped cutting filters up around 2015 and decided i like the 820s for the price or if i wanted to splurge id use fram ultra. maybe the issue was after that?
what i can tell you is i have one on my truck and 3 more waiting to go on and ill use them all.
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I reckon im like my old dad was. when i told him aboit fram orange can being a bad filter and showed him the filter cut up he replied with "ive run ALOT of em" and kept on trucking. lol its hard to argue that aint it?
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