Originally Posted By: billt460
Originally Posted By: Bandito440
How badly do you need a lower that's "untraceable" and comes without any factory support?
Exactly. I think this whole "80% lower" nonsense is all far more trouble than it's worth. You can purchase 100% finished lower receivers on sale for a song from places like CDNN and Palmetto. And they're guaranteed to work correctly. These "kitchen table specials", built on 80% lowers by people with zero machining experience, have as much desirability and resale value as a rusty Gremlin or Pacer. Think about it. Would you buy one?
As far as the government boogey man, that in itself is a joke. If the government wanted your non serialized, home made guns that bad, they would simply legislate you into being a criminal. Just like they're doing in California and New York with 30 round magazines. All it will take is a mass shooting with one of these 80% guns, or a terrorist bomb made with Tannerite from Cabela's, and watch how fast both of them disappear, and become illegal by merely possessing them.
The premise of your comment is about resale value. But, in all likelihood, this is not about resale ... This is about building the gun. Yes you can make it from a registered lower, but how you do that here in Cali is complicated by the State Laws.
It's either a fully functional AR-15 with a pistol grip, etc - and therefor by State Law, an assault rifle, and must be registered in the State as such to the CA DOJ with photos of the config; or it's a non-traditional AR w/o "evil features" and is just another CF rifle. In either case it can not use magazines over 10 rounds.
To my knowledge, Cali has not stopped anyone from making rifles or shotguns. They just require State registration of ones made in certain configurations ... I dunno about pistols ...
I was an 03FFL for many years, but it has gotten to weird to continue, so I'm just a citizen now
I've sold most of the good collector stuff. I have a few pieces of WW-II stuff that I may try to assemble as mix master rifles, but I might just sell the parts too... I have not figured out how to deal with that stuff yet... Have too much else going on.