Fram X2 oil filters

[Al]

Cobra:

Supertech filters are definitely the best value for the bucks. If you own a Nissan product then their ST6607. Is way too small. Someone mentioned that they have an equivalent filter for Nissan- Wish I could remember the model #.

 

[GROUCHO MARX]

Al,
I think the number was 2808, a common filter for a lot of japanese imports (Honda, Subarru), and with regard to Fram's marketing, it seems that they do a lot less advertising than they did 20 years ago. I think they hooked a lot of folks in then and those folks refuse to let go.

 

[joee12]

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Originally posted by Al:
Cobra:

Supertech filters are definitely the best value for the bucks. If you own a Nissan product then their ST6607. Is way too small. Someone mentioned that they have an equivalent filter for Nissan- Wish I could remember the model #.

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Check with Patman, he used a longer version of the 6607 on his Escort GT. -Joe

 

[Al]

Groucho: Thanks-I believe thats the right #. Yes Patman, I also used the PL14620 on my Sentra. Now use the K&N HP 1010.

 

[Alex D]

I think the discussion about the Fram X2 is pretty moot when you consider the price of these babies........you can buy a K&N for that money and that is eons better than the crap Fram is amrketing these days......so why even wonder

 

[GROUCHO MARX]

Al, posted on the Edmunds board

The ST6607 is the correct filter for the 1992 Mitsubishi Mirage 1.5L, based
on the information we received from Mitsubishi. The Supertech line is a
consolidated filter line, in order to keep less unused filters on the
shelves. Sometimes, that can cause a filter to be slightly shorter than
the original equipment filter. This is just a difference in manufacturing
and all filter warranties will remain in effect when these filters are
used. Please be assured that the ST6607 will work on this application with
no problems. However, the ST2808 can be used if provided there is enough
room and clearance to use this filter. The decision to do so will be under
your discression though, for we are basing our information from that of the
o.e.

Thank you.

Chad Garrett
Technical Assistance Representative
Champion Laboratories, Inc.

 

[Propflux01]

So what your saying is the 2808 is basically the same as a 6607 but bigger? the 6607 is marked for my Hyundai also, but loks alot smaller than the bosch or Hyundai filter. in fact it is not much bigger at all than the tecumseh filter on my 17hp mower.

 

[Patman]

When I had my Escort GT I ran the PureONE PL14620 on it actually.

 

[Bo0b Miller]

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Originally posted by supertrofeo:
I know that everyone here seems to think Fram is all around crappy, and I'd have to say that I agree after recently disecting one, but I was wondering if anyone has had any ACTUAL/PRACTICAL experience with the x2 or the Toughgard models?

I've considered buying them, but I've noticed that the PureOne Purolator filters are about $4-5 less and have a much better reputation. Up untill recently I've always used the regular Fram or a Quaker State filter, but now that I've found this site I see the error of my ways in thinking that all filters are created equal and I'd like to change. I just don't know what to change to.

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I have used the X2 on a Saturn L2 with M1 10w-30. The oil analysis for that combo was the best I ever got for that vehicle.

Unfortunately, the availability of X2 filters for the saturn was sad and I then went with Purolator.

-
Bob

 

[unDummy]

What's so bad about the PHxxxx(extraguard) filter? It allowed the most oil pressure(flow?) on the engine side of the filter. Prevent engine wear or filter engine wear is your choice. My votes for prevention.
The toughguard results were a total surprise to me. It was the most restrictive. See the thread "bobistheoilguy filter test".
I had excessive noise with the pureone filters. The cheaper premiums/prolines worked better in my applications.

The X2(XG####) filter pressure restriction is the one that I am waiting for. Will it be as restrictive as the TG or will it flow as well as the other "boutique filters"?

X2's, as well as most other filters, can be purchased online if stores in your area don't carry them.

Fram/ST/STP xreference Purolator/Proline
6607 is tiny = L14612/14622
7317 is better = L14610/14620
2808/3593 big = L14459
3807 bigger = L24458
2849 longest = L20073
3985 fattest = L14619

Not responsible for typos.
Some filter company catalogues are limited. Not all filter part numbers are available.

 

[Mystic]

I started to lose faith in FRAM oil filters a long time ago, before the filter studies came out on the internet. I had two FRAM filters fail on me. One of them, a oil filter for the Toyota Corolla, had zero oil in it when I did an oil change. The anti-drainback valve was not working properly. I hear that FRAMs have poor bypass valves also. And then I heard about the cardboard endcaps.

There was a story on the internet a while back about motorcycle racers getting seriously injured when FRAM oil filters failed on their motorcycles. Oil got on their tires.

Even if the FRAM X2 Extended Guard is a good oil filter, it costs 10 bucks or more. For that kind of money you can buy a Mobil 1, K&N, or Amsoil oil filter. And in the recent oil filter testing done by people at this site, the FRAM X2 Extended Guard had a lot of flow restriction.

I actually wish I could say different than all of this, because I use to be a FRAM guy. And FRAMS are easily available. Some of the oil filters I have used are kind of hard to find. I used to buy FRAM filters all the time, and when I switched to other brands it was actually hard not to reach for that orange can.

Hopefully there will always be good oil filters available. I have heard of quality declines with some other brands. Some people are saying that Purolator has started to use cardboard endcaps on some of its filters.

 

[Greg]

man, a fram PH6811 costs (cdn) $5.39 + tax at wally world and i can get the 51344 value wix's for $3.79 + tax when i buy a 6-pack and even those are manufactured a billion times better.

[ May 04, 2003, 10:35 PM: Message edited by: Greg ]

 

[newtoncd8]

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What's so bad about the PHxxxx(extraguard) filter?
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For me, it was the dry starts I noticed when using the Fram Extraguard filters. When I use the Toyota OEM or Purolator filter, I don't have that problem. Vehicle I am referencing is a 99 Lexus ES300.

Additionally, I am not an engineer, but when I opened up a used Fram and a used Purolator for the ES300, the Purolator seemed to be constructed better (i.e. metal end caps vs cardboard).

 

[Gerhard]

I'm currently working on an NTPOG undate for their Honda Prelude filter review.

I've taken apart ALL of the fram filter types available for the H22A4 Honda engine.

The Fram x2 filter is the only heavy duty constructed Fram filter. Unlike the normal Fram filters it does not have ANY cardboard in it. It also filters pretty well (oil analysis shows this).

Unlike the other Fram designs, this filter has 2 layers of media backed by a metal screen (large pores), with metal end caps.

About the only thing I didn't like about it was the standard FRAM by-pass vavle design.

Interestingly, the US OEM filter from Honda is also made by FRAM (though to higher specs) and has the same by-pass design.

I tend to think that the x2 is on the level of the Mobil 1, Bosch, K&N, AMSOIL filters. When I can not get a hold of the Mobil 1 (etc) filters, I use the x2.

I've also taken apart the WIX filters and so on. One guy indicated he's use a Wix filter before a Fram... That's not a bad idea from a construction point of view... but the micron rating on the Wix filters (for the Prelude) are 30 microns. The Mobil 1 is 8-10, the AMSOIL is 8-10, the K&N is 10-20, the x2 is 10-20, the Bosch is 10-12...

-Gerhard

PS Allied Signal merged with Honeywell several years ago. The Honeywell name was more regonizable (from a brand perspective), so Allied kept the name...

[ May 05, 2003, 07:34 AM: Message edited by: Gerhard ]

 

[David1]

Originally Posted By: OneQuartLow

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Originally posted by Mike:
fyi

Last I checked, the basic Fram, Quaker State and Pennzoil were identical filters in diffenent colors.

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Mike, They were the same filters. Fram (Honeywell/Allied) used to make all of them. Somewhere in the last couple years Pennzoil/ Quaker State started buying from Purolator (Arvin Meritor).

Not sure what this means about their quality. Did Arvin Meritor bring cardboard endcaps to Purolator's low-end? I've only noticed the cardboard PremiumPlus filters in the last couple years and AM bought Purolator in '99.

David



Group 7 oil filters are Purolator low end oil filter that my family uses in our garage in Michigan and has used them for years.

 

[Sayjac]

Not quite sure the point of the thread resurrection here, but since it is I found the first post in this thread very enlightening. Shows the differences back in 03 in filter efficiency measurement ratings with the original X2 filter which has been discussed recently. The single pass efficiency rating used back then vs the multipass procedure(s). Interesting to me how differing results based on the test and contaminant used, could be obtained. It seems there was a lot more room for fudging the numbers back then.

Now however efficiency testing has been standardized using ISO 4548-12 Multipass test to rate published efficiency.