G19 is a great choice unless you have larger hands. If so, hold a G45. With the G45 you get the shorter, compact slide of the G19 with the full G17 grip.
Not lately, it’s not. Double the cost of 9mm.
That’s interesting. Mind explaining the reasoning? What does one lose or gain by using a 10/22 w/25 mag vs a bolt action? I would think one could learn the same thing and get more rounds on target in less time.
No doubt. I teach starting with dry practice as well. It makes the transition smoother to live fire. I also like electronic ear pro which makes the noice issue less of an issue. The Peltor SportTacs are fantastic. Highly recommend them. High quality and very reasonable price wise.The only problem with your outlined steps, particularly in step 2, is that the “point the barrel thing” and “squeeze the bang thing” is where the real skill development lies.
In the presence of noise, and recoil, much of what needs to be learned to develop that skill gets lost.
The rest can be learned under low stress, classroom environment.
I keep a set of dummy rounds around, so I can teach a first time shooter, of a particular firearm, be it revolver, pistol, AR, or even Garand, can be done under good light, low noise, and low stress.
Then, when we go to the range, adding in noise, recoil, and difficulty communicating happens on top of a solid understanding of how the gun works, and the shooter is far more successful.
Given the incredibly bad shooting I see on a daily basis, (barely on a silhouette at five yards, center of mass hit only randomly) there are a lot, a whole lot, of shooters who never learned the critical parts of step 2.
And who simply repeat bad skills, and bad habits, over and over, at great expense, without ever improving.
It was gratifying to look at the dozen or so other shooters on the range the day I took my daughter for the first time, and realize that she was outperforming all of them in both accuracy and speed.
That’s interesting. Mind explaining the reasoning? What does one lose or gain by using a 10/22 w/25 mag vs a bolt action? I would think one could learn the same thing and get more rounds on target in less time.
Ha! Good she’d probably take me out.I won't tell Mrs DuckRyder you called her granny...
On another subject...
I'm constantly baffled at these sorts of threads and people recommending 38 snubbies - I get they are easy to operate mechanically but they are not easy nor pleasurable to shoot - very short sight radius - generally sharp recoil. Not something that encourages practice.
Love my M&P Shield in 9MM.Recent first gun purchase thread/comments sparked my interest... What do you recommend for a new gun owner?
I lean toward recommending a full or compact 9mm pistol. Nothing against revolvers or shotguns though. I just find people become comfortable with pistols faster and are less intimidated by the recoil. Teaching someone how operate a semi auto isn’t difficult either. Most folks pick it up very quickly.
This isn’t intended to be a debate about the effectiveness of one caliber vs another or this brand vs that brand.
Call me skeptical that your local California gun shop sells ammo at half the price of shops here, and well below the price of online ammo shops.Depends on where you are shopping. Our local gun shop sells 38 special 125/130/158GR boxes of 50 for under 20 bucks. 357 rounds just about the same under 20 bucks for 50. 9mm boxes of 50 are only a dollar or two cheaper and the selection is slim.
Also the training with a mix 357 and 38 rounds can be useful. We used to shove a 357 round or 2 in with the 38's and practice targets.
Will it be concealed carry? Doesnt sound like it based on your post so a mid size 9MM would be my choice.Recent first gun purchase thread/comments sparked my interest... What do you recommend for a new gun owner?
I lean toward recommending a full or compact 9mm pistol. Nothing against revolvers or shotguns though. I just find people become comfortable with pistols faster and are less intimidated by the recoil. Teaching someone how operate a semi auto isn’t difficult either. Most folks pick it up very quickly.
This isn’t intended to be a debate about the effectiveness of one caliber vs another or this brand vs that brand.
Call me skeptical that your local California gun shop sells ammo at half the price of shops here, and well below the price of online ammo shops.
It‘s like claiming that you’re paying $1.89/gallon for unleaded.
Not credible. Not lately.
When’s the last time you bought ammo?
Just a few weeks ago at Ammo Brothers. Local gun shop near me. I get a pretty good discount from them as well as my local gunsmith Orange County Firearms. Although OCF is more specialized in custom work. They did such a good job on my 10mm Delta Elite I had to get rid of it. It ended up being too much gun for me.
I never felt comfortable carrying cocked and locked. Even as a young man in the Sea Bees I felt more at home with a revolver and Wingmaster on overseas armory and roving watches. Our commanding officer did not force us to carry the standard issue 45. Most of us kept our personal 357's in the armory. A few of the guys managed to get ahold of the Glocks but they were really new on the market and very expensive.
As someone who has recently gotten interested in getting my CC permit (which takes forever in NY and still precludes carrying in NYC....where you are more likely to need it). I am curious as to what ammo cost before the 'shortages'?You claimed 9mm for $18-$19 a box.
The link shows it for $32 a box. In stock.
Much more in line with current prices.
Listing ammo with a price of $20/box, with none in stock, is not the same as selling it for that price.
There are lots of Mom & Pop gun shops that have old prices on their websites, since that ammo sold out two years ago at that price. They simply haven’t updated.
Here‘s a local store listing .38 for the price you’ve claimed.
38 Special Ammo For Sale | Cheap Bulk 38 Special Ammo
.38 Special ammo or .38 SPL ammo for sale at The Armory! Always cheap 38 Special ammo in stock in boxes or bulk 38 SPL cases ready to ship. Buy your .38 SPC ammo today the Armory. Also see 9x29.5mmRwww.the-armory.com
But I’ve walked in their store. That ammo hasn’t been in stock in two years. So, listing a price on a website, when it’s not being sold at that price, is the same as finding $1.89 unleaded signs on a closed gas station.
It‘s nostalgia- not reality.
Current prices are vastly different from 2020.