The ICP only picks up very small particles
If they were large enough for the filter to catch, a UOA would essentially be useless. You'd have to check the filter.
The ICP only picks up very small particles
Ah yes, makes sense. ThanksThe ICP only picks up very small particles
No, I'm not saying that. I also agree that HPL appears to be a very good oil. What I'm sayin' is that, in your specific case, you have too much junk on that filter and the Filter and/or the oil and filter needs to be changed more frequently to get the junk outta your engine.Very doubtful. I looked back in my records and the average oil change interval since new is right at 7,000 miles. Or, maybe you are saying that 7,000 miles is too long for PCMO synthetics and HDEOs? My first extended oil change interval is with HPL.
I agree that I should have changed the filter sooner than 21,000 and would have had I known the HPL oil was going to clean so much hard carbon from the pistons.What I'm sayin' is that, in your specific case, you have too much junk on that filter and the Filter and/or the oil and filter needs to be changed more frequently to get the junk outta your engine.
I will continue to change the filter at 5,000 intervals until the cleaning stops. However, I will change the oil based on what we see in the UOAs I intend to run every 5,000 miles. If the UOA supports changing the oil at 10,000 or 30,000, then that's what I'll do.I think you need to shorten the oci to about 7500
Sure, that's your call. Looking forward to seeing a "normal" dirty filter at 5,000.I will continue to change the filter at 5,000 intervals until the cleaning stops. However, I will change the oil based on what we see in the UOAs I intend to run every 5,000 miles. If the UOA supports changing the oil at 10,000 or 30,000, then that's what I'll do.
Sure, that's your call. Looking forward to seeing a "normal" dirty filter at 5,000.
Lol. That ain't "normal". Hopefully, the next 5k run will be better, but, that oil appears saturated with junk.Dodge Durango 3.6L - second run of HPL 5w-20 - 5,000 miles on oil - filter pictures at 5,000 mile change interval
Below are pictures of the oil and filter run for 5,000 miles. This is my second run of HPL 5w-20 HDEO in my 3.6L Durango. The total miles on HPL oil is now 33,500 miles. Because the filter was so loaded with deposits being cleaned during my first run of HPL, I decided to change the filter every...bobistheoilguy.com
The irony is - if he had continued to run over the counter oils, no “cleaning” would have taken place.Lol. That ain't "normal". Hopefully, the next 5k run will be better, but, that oil appears saturated with junk.
Let's examine this.Lol. That ain't "normal". Hopefully, the next 5k run will be better, but, that oil appears saturated with junk.
How much did you top off with? What product line of HPL is this with?This is a sample pulled from my Durango 3.6L with 137,615 miles total and 26,015 miles on the oil. Consumption was zero during this entire 26,000 mile run, which is a change from previous runs that had consumption of about 1/2 quart per 5,000 miles. E85 was used for about 5,000 miles of the 26,000 miles on this oil. The oil was in service from 12/26/2019 - 11/5/2021, almost exactly 22 months. The oil was changed because it has thickened 17%. The lab is Wearcheck.
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I'm surprised how much cleaning is still taking place. This filter was run from 21,000-26,000 miles and has this much carbonaceous material! We saw more debris in the filter that was run from 0-21,000 miles (see my last UOA post). The magnetic drain plug has a small amount of debris stuck to it.
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Sample Information Sample Date Feb 2020 Dec 2020 March 2021 August 2021 October 2021 Machine Age miles 116,000 122,200 127,420 132,679 137,615 Oil Age miles 5,000 11,200 15,820 21,079 26,015 Filter Age miles 5,000 11,200 15,820 21,079 4,936 Oil Changed no no no no yes Filter Changed no no no yes yes Brand HPL HPL HPL HPL HPL Viscosity 5w-20 HDEO 5w-20 HDEO 5w-20 HDEO 5w-20 HDEO 5w-20 HDEO Wear Metals Iron 5 13 21 42 62 Chromium TD]
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There was no oil consumption, so none. This oil was HPL's CJ-4 5w-20.How much did you top off with? What product line of HPL is this with?
Just my opinion, but I believe their Super Car line would do well in an application where Red Line HP has been used.Which product like is similar to Redline HP? Hoping to find similar but with a little bit longer oil duration like that can be found in amsoil signature series
This is a sample pulled from my Durango 3.6L with 137,615 miles total and 26,015 miles on the oil. Consumption was zero during this entire 26,000 mile run, which is a change from previous runs that had consumption of about 1/2 quart per 5,000 miles. E85 was used for about 5,000 miles of the 26,000 miles on this oil. The oil was in service from 12/26/2019 - 11/5/2021, almost exactly 22 months. The oil was changed because it has thickened 17%. The lab is Wearcheck.
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I'm surprised how much cleaning is still taking place. This filter was run from 21,000-26,000 miles and has this much carbonaceous material! We saw more debris in the filter that was run from 0-21,000 miles (see my last UOA post). The magnetic drain plug has a small amount of debris stuck to it.
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Sample Information Sample Date Feb 2020 Dec 2020 March 2021 August 2021 October 2021 Machine Age miles 116,000 122,200 127,420 132,679 137,615 Oil Age miles 5,000 11,200 15,820 21,079 26,015 Filter Age miles 5,000 11,200 15,820 21,079 4,936 Oil Changed no no no no yes Filter Changed no no no yes yes Brand HPL HPL HPL HPL HPL Viscosity 5w-20 HDEO 5w-20 HDEO 5w-20 HDEO 5w-20 HDEO 5w-20 HDEO Wear Metals Iron 5 13 21 42 62 Chromium TD]
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I dun examined it. Wear metals increasing, Viscosity increasing, and a layer of Junk in your oil pan.Let's examine this.
Saturated is defined as, "cause (a substance) to combine with, dissolve, or hold the greatest possible quantity of another substance." What you see trapped in the filter is a visible solid, so by definition it isn't dissolved and the oil can't be saturated with it.
The high ester and alkylated naphthalene (AN) are loosening hard carbon that is stuck to the piston crowns and ring lands. This is a good thing.
I will take a 6,000 mile oil sample next week and we'll see the condition of the oil. If the amount of insolubles is past the condemnation point, then we'll change the oil, but I can tell you from experience that the insolubles won't be high and we'll continue to run the oil until is reaches a condemnation limit.
I would argue that 15K is probably the sweet spot from a cost/benefit standpoint - these UOA's are not inexpensive.Based on the UOA data it seems the oil was done around 15k no?