MolaKule
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Could you please quote MR Cousimano's exact words from an internet website, letter or such, or have Mr. Cousimano come on the board and make his own comments.
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Could you please quote MR Cousimano's exact words from an internet website, letter or such, or have Mr. Cousimano come on the board and make his own comments.
You can find posts of his here: http://speedtalk.com/forum/ where hypes his product having no moly. Look for user id "cmw".
Could you please quote MR Cousimano's exact words from an internet website, letter or such, or have Mr. Cousimano come on the board and make his own comments.
You can find posts of his here: http://speedtalk.com/forum/ where hypes his product having no moly. Look for user id "cmw".
MolaKule
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Gee, if somebody really has their heart set on an engine oil without moly you could always just get Liqui/Lubro Moly...
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
And the exact link please, such as:
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=102716&highlight=#102716
"CMW Oil makes assembly lube that has no moly. The problems with moly is that when you compress the moly lube under high loads it can separate. Just look at the bottom of the oil pan. In my opinion moly can cause wear problems. The problem is that the higher the applied pressure, the more the moly will scratch the rubbing components."
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5990&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
"...CMW Oil Company ONLY manufactures for racing and off road use. You have to make sure all the additives you put in the engine will blend in the oil. This is why CMW does not use Moly in there products. So lets pick on Moly, ever think what that black stuff is on the bottom of the pan ???????????. And what caused this problem?????????? and people say moly does not cause wear ( Bull ----) and it does not like to be in the combustion chamber it does not burn very well."
"The question about clear organic moly. Have you check the bottom of the pan or oil filter and take a sample to be tested? The results show moly, and if you ask about what type of moly and the test lab will tell you moly detection is there and that is it. I have found more wear problems using moly and I developed products that has no moly. In time it will be standard practice of assemly of all engines without moly."
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=46771&highlight=#46771
"Using moly or graphite is not good for the engine, it is like throwing dirt in the engine. Put some moly or graphite on you finger and rub it on a rod or main bearing and see the scathes on the bearing. You need assemble the engine with a non moly assembly lube and then use a break-in oil. CMW Oil Company has assembly lube and a special formulated break-in oil."
Will those links suffice? And just to be clear, I disagree with everything Mr. Cousimano wrote.
And the exact link please, such as:
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=102716&highlight=#102716
"CMW Oil makes assembly lube that has no moly. The problems with moly is that when you compress the moly lube under high loads it can separate. Just look at the bottom of the oil pan. In my opinion moly can cause wear problems. The problem is that the higher the applied pressure, the more the moly will scratch the rubbing components."
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5990&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
"...CMW Oil Company ONLY manufactures for racing and off road use. You have to make sure all the additives you put in the engine will blend in the oil. This is why CMW does not use Moly in there products. So lets pick on Moly, ever think what that black stuff is on the bottom of the pan ???????????. And what caused this problem?????????? and people say moly does not cause wear ( Bull ----) and it does not like to be in the combustion chamber it does not burn very well."
"The question about clear organic moly. Have you check the bottom of the pan or oil filter and take a sample to be tested? The results show moly, and if you ask about what type of moly and the test lab will tell you moly detection is there and that is it. I have found more wear problems using moly and I developed products that has no moly. In time it will be standard practice of assemly of all engines without moly."
http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=46771&highlight=#46771
"Using moly or graphite is not good for the engine, it is like throwing dirt in the engine. Put some moly or graphite on you finger and rub it on a rod or main bearing and see the scathes on the bearing. You need assemble the engine with a non moly assembly lube and then use a break-in oil. CMW Oil Company has assembly lube and a special formulated break-in oil."
Will those links suffice? And just to be clear, I disagree with everything Mr. Cousimano wrote.
If Moly or graphite were such bad stuff for engines, assembly lubes would be made without it.
I know nothing of Moly in motor oil .
But I have used powdered moly and moly lubes quite a bit , won't scuff steel at all . Under pressure ( like metal on metal , not between your fingers ) moly squishes and lubes .
You could mark up a crankshaft bearing with your fingernail , or a plastic spoon , or ... you get the idea , they are soft and the satin finish makes the slightest mark stand out .
If moly was abrasive to steel it would not be popular as a bullet lube ( up to 65000 psi , 4000 feet per sec. , and kinda warm too ... ) Actually , recovered copper jacketed bullets show less scuffing with moly than without . Barrels have also been said to last longer with moly . Bullet lube is typically straight molybdenum disulfide with a wax coating to make them less messy .
Like I said I know squat about moly in motor oil .
Just .02
But I have used powdered moly and moly lubes quite a bit , won't scuff steel at all . Under pressure ( like metal on metal , not between your fingers ) moly squishes and lubes .
You could mark up a crankshaft bearing with your fingernail , or a plastic spoon , or ... you get the idea , they are soft and the satin finish makes the slightest mark stand out .
If moly was abrasive to steel it would not be popular as a bullet lube ( up to 65000 psi , 4000 feet per sec. , and kinda warm too ... ) Actually , recovered copper jacketed bullets show less scuffing with moly than without . Barrels have also been said to last longer with moly . Bullet lube is typically straight molybdenum disulfide with a wax coating to make them less messy .
Like I said I know squat about moly in motor oil .
Just .02
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After reviewing the key formulation challenges expected with ILSAC GF-5, it is interesting to note
that the use of organo-molybdenum compounds is a recurring theme, as they are beneficial for
fuel economy, wear control, deposit control, oxidation control, and dispersancy retention. For
companies that manufacture and market molybdenum and organo-molybdenum compounds,
ILSAC GF-5 is indeed better late than never.
http://www.rtvanderbilt.com/ILSAC GF-5 Development.pdf
After reviewing the key formulation challenges expected with ILSAC GF-5, it is interesting to note
that the use of organo-molybdenum compounds is a recurring theme, as they are beneficial for
fuel economy, wear control, deposit control, oxidation control, and dispersancy retention. For
companies that manufacture and market molybdenum and organo-molybdenum compounds,
ILSAC GF-5 is indeed better late than never.
http://www.rtvanderbilt.com/ILSAC GF-5 Development.pdf
Originally Posted By: Michelob
I don!t think Honda would use it in their factory fill if it was bad.
That's what i was thinking. All those Honda engines on the roads with 300,000 miles on Exxon Superflo better change their oil in a hurry!
I don!t think Honda would use it in their factory fill if it was bad.
That's what i was thinking. All those Honda engines on the roads with 300,000 miles on Exxon Superflo better change their oil in a hurry!
MolaKule
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Well it is evident MR Cousimano knows nothing about the chemistry or tribology of soluble moly compounds or what comprizes real sludge.
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Very interesting!
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