Comment on my logic for increasing OCI with M1

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I have a 15 year old car with 83K miles on it. It is known to have tight bearing tolerances and passages. It is also known to have leaky seals and gaskets. Since I bought it I have been using Quaker State High Mileage dino oil due to cleaning, anti-wear and seal conditioning additives in addition to its high VI. I have been using an OCI of 3750 miles and, recently, I have switched to a K&N oil filter with 60% larger volume. I am thinking of pushing the OCI to 6000 miles and here is the reasoning.

Subaru suggests an OCI of 7500 miles or 3750 miles if one drives in harsh conditions. Harsh conditions are extreme cold or heat or driving in a dusty environment or making lots of short trips. The only thing that applies to me is the extreme cold or heat and that is only for about half the year as I live in upstate NY. Splitting the difference of the OCIs comes out to 5625 miles.

If I am thinking about longer OCIs, I will only do it if I use a synthetic like Mobil 1. Vice-versa, I will only go to the cost of a synthetic if I can extend my OCI. If I understand correctly what people claim about synthetics, my oil should be in good shape beyond 5625 miles if I am using a synthetic and only drive in harsh conditions half the time.

While the oil may hold up in terms of not becoming excessively oxidized and acidic, there is still the issue of contaminants finding their way into the combustion chamber and, hence, the oil and oil filter. That is why, if I understand it correctly, people still change oil filters when they switch to synthetics and extend their OCIs. But the larger K&N filters I can use on my car are 60% larger than the stock filter. 60% more miles would equate to 6000 miles if the reference point chosen is the lower 3750 mile number.

So, given that I don't drive in extreme conditions year round, I am potentially switching to Mobil 1 HM and I am using a 60% larger filter, I think a 6000 mile OCI is fine.

Comments?
 
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6000 miles on M1 HM is a breeze. I would go the full 7500 with no worries. My sister's GM minivan went 15,000 miles/one year once unintentionally on M1 HM 10W-30, with no perceived ill effects. Cannot see any deposits to speak of down the oil fill hole. I think your plan is conservative.
 
Oil of 15 years ago is not as good as today oil, you can do 8-10k miles OCI with M1 if most of your trips are more than 10-15 miles. The weather of New York is not so hash, it's not as cold as International Falls in Minnesota in winter nor as hot as Death Valley in summer.
 
Has anyone heard about Mobil 1 not being good for Subarus? Some people claim they are not compatible for some reason. Again, the only things that are unique to Subaru are the horizontally opposed cylinders and that the bearing passages are tight. I don't see why Mobil 1 would be a problem for either of these. Perhaps the real problem is that people push the OCIs too long and maybe some crud clogs up those passages.
 
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Many years ago Mobil 1 5W30 oils were very light viscosity to conserve fuel, almost 0W20 range. Subarus on the other hand liked high-30 to low 40 range (I ran 5W40 for towing duty).

Now, it's not an issue anymore as Mobil 1 5W30 starts at near 11 cst.
 
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Many years ago Mobil 1 5W30 oils were very light viscosity to conserve fuel, almost 0W20 range. Subarus on the other hand liked high-30 to low 40 range (I ran 5W40 for towing duty).

Now, it's not an issue anymore as Mobil 1 5W30 starts at near 11 cst.


For the SVX I was led to believe that thinner is actually better as the oil passages are very tight.

I think the one main concern about extending OCIs is the buildup of contaminants that are smaller than what even a high quality filter will remove. There are very few filters which will remove a high percentage of particles below 10um. In fact, there is reason to believe that only M1 filters will do that and they don't make an oversized filter for my car. Chemically the oil will stay in good shape. My oversized K&N filter will also stay flowing well. I am concerned about excessive buildup of tiny particles i the oil.
 
I think you're over thinking this a little TOO much. You've been using a high mileage oil in your car since it was new to condition the seals.
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my 98 Camry V6 with 207k doesn't need any seal conditioners, even at this point in its life.

Why don't you get a UOA on the oil @ 4k and see just how much life is actually left in the oil and how contaminated it is.

My 07 Civic EX is doing just fine with the tiny OEM spec oil filter and 10k OCIs with M1. (factory specs 6-7k OCI)

Considering that many manufacturers recommend you replace the oil filter every other OC, i don't even see a need for an over sized oil filter in your case.

Instead of playing the guessing game, get an oil analysis.
 
Originally Posted By: Artem
I think you're over thinking this a little TOO much. You've been using a high mileage oil in your car since it was new to condition the seals.
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my 98 Camry V6 with 207k doesn't need any seal conditioners, even at this point in its life.

Why don't you get a UOA on the oil @ 4k and see just how much life is actually left in the oil and how contaminated it is.

My 07 Civic EX is doing just fine with the tiny OEM spec oil filter and 10k OCIs with M1. (factory specs 6-7k OCI)

Considering that many manufacturers recommend you replace the oil filter every other OC, i don't even see a need for an over sized oil filter in your case.

Instead of playing the guessing game, get an oil analysis.


I got the car when it had 72k miles on it. That's when I switched it over to HM oil. Subarus leak like crazy so I was hoping to prolong the life of the seals.

Wil an oil analysis tell you particle count for different sized particles?
 
Oh well now it makes a bit more sense.

I say you use a high quality oil filter and call it a day trying to chase after tiny particles.
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For peace of mind I would get an UOA after 6K and from that you can make an educated guess how you are doing with that oil. Unless your cars engine generates a lot of wear or you air intake system is failing a bigger trap(oil filter) want make a difference.
 
I have been doing 10K OCIs in scadds of differant engines since the 70s. No problems as of today.
 
Originally Posted By: tig1
I have been doing 10K OCIs in scadds of differant engines since the 70s. No problems as of today.


How many miles do you drive your car in a day.

How many of these cars from the 70's do you still keep driving.

If you got rid of any of these cars, what was the reasoning.

In my opinion, 10,000 mile OCI's are only for people who maybe drive at least 50 miles to work, and maybe 50 miles back from work.

I will ask this question to tig1, how many cars have you had since the 1970's, and how many miles have you put on each car that you have owned, no attack, just asking questions.

tig1, my MOM told me the only oil we can put in her car is Mobil 1, she is happy with the oil, and that is all that matters, this 10K OCI does kind of scare me.
 
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Originally Posted By: mechtech2
That K+N is going to let more dirt. About 3%.
Figure that into you OCI intentions.


I am talking the K&N oil filter, not the air filter. From what I have read, the oil filter is among the best. It is very similar to the Mobil 1 and made in the same plant. I think the M1 is a little thicker and traps a little more, but not much more. The filters from Amsoil and Royal Purple are probably the only ones that are markedly better but they don't have an oversized filter for my car. I like the oversized filter for a couple of reasons. First, it has less flow restriction and won't go into bypass as quickly. Second, it can hold more crud before flow starts becoming more restricted.
 
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Originally Posted By: Huskymaniac
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
That K+N is going to let more dirt. About 3%.
Figure that into you OCI intentions.


I am talking the K&N oil filter, not the air filter. From what I have read, the oil filter is among the best. It is very similar to the Mobil 1 and made in the same plant. I think the M1 is a little thicker and traps a little more, but not much more. The filters from Amsoil and Royal Purple are probably the only ones that are markedly better but they don't have an oversized filter for my car. I like the oversized filter for a couple of reasons. First, it has less flow restriction and won't go into bypass as quickly. Second, it can hold more crud before flow starts becoming more restricted.



Every time I ever tried a Mobil-1, or K&N oil filter,I get the cold start up noise. In other words the drain back valve`s arent working properly for some reason.
 
Originally Posted By: PontiacFan
Originally Posted By: tig1
I have been doing 10K OCIs in scadds of differant engines since the 70s. No problems as of today.


How many miles do you drive your car in a day.

How many of these cars from the 70's do you still keep driving.

If you got rid of any of these cars, what was the reasoning.

In my opinion, 10,000 mile OCI's are only for people who maybe drive at least 50 miles to work, and maybe 50 miles back from work.

I will ask this question to tig1, how many cars have you had since the 1970's, and how many miles have you put on each car that you have owned, no attack, just asking questions.

tig1, my MOM told me the only oil we can put in her car is Mobil 1, she is happy with the oil, and that is all that matters, this 10K OCI does kind of scare me.


The first was a 77 Dodge Slant 6 pickup and a 77 Chev 305(120K). Then came a junk Chrysler K car, brain fade. Sold it in 3 months. A 85 Escort diesel(300K) and a 84 Tempo diesel(145K) which I traded in for a 90 Tempo gas, 254K. Then I bought a 96 Ford, can't think of the name but replaced the Tempo. Sold it to a friend with 104K, but he still has it and uses M1 10-30 in it as it now has 210K. After the 96 what ever it was, we bought a 96 Merc GM and put 218K on it before trading it in for the Fusion. In there was my old 91 Ford Ranger with 354K before it was sold this year. In all of these engines I never so much as had any of them even start to appear to be worn( using excessive oil or smoking) and they all appeared to be very clean and ran great up until they were sold.
 
What is the cold startup noise? I don't think I am hearing such a noie but I can look for it.
 
Nevermind. It turns out that there is Bosch Premium filter that would be oversized for my car. It has the same filtering properties as the Purolator PureOne so I am going with that. I'm not sure how much better one can get than an oversized PureOne. You get better flow due to the larger filter AND great filtering. As far as extreme conditions are concerned, we have them right now! I'm sure it is having an impact on the oil. Air temp was 104 and my coolant temp got up to 210 by the end of my 20 minute drive.
 
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