Civic del Sol Si, M1 SS 10W-30, 3,593 miles

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1994 Honda Civic del Sol Si (D16Z6 SOHC VTEC engine, 125 hp). No engine modifications.

This was my first analysis on 10W-30 SuperSyn, since I forgot to collect the first fill. Interpretation by Terry Dyson is pending. About 0.25 qt of Mobil Drive Clean were added, unnecessarily and unbidden, by a mechanic.

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Figures in parentheses are (ppm/10,000 miles).



M1 10W-30 M1 5W-30 M1 5W-30 M1 5W-30

SuperSyn SL Tri-Syn SJ Tri-Syn SJ Tri-Syn SJ (a)

Lab Blackstone Blackstone Schaeffer's Blackstone

Mi on Vehicle 137,168 126,314 126,314 123,724

Mi on Oil 3,593 2,590 2,590 5,825

Sample date 2003 Jun 19 2002 Dec 7 2002 Dec 7 2002 Oct 16

Oil filter Bosch PureONE PureONE PureONE

3312 PL14459 PL14459 PL14459



Aluminum 3 (8) 3 (12) 2 (8) 3 (5)

Chromium 1 (3) 2 (8) 1 (4) 1 (2)

Iron 8 (22) 9 (35) 9 (35) 10 (17)

Copper 3 (8) 3 (12) 3 (12) 5 (9)

Lead 7 (19) 9 (35) 8 (31) 26 (45)

Tin 0 (0) 1 (4) 0 (0)

Molybdenum 61 4 6 17

Nickel 0 0 0

Manganese 0 1 0

Silver 0 0 0

Titanium 0 0 0



Potassium 0 1 2

Boron 122 66 34

Silicon 4 (11) (c) 18 (69) (b) 13 (50) (b) 15 (26) (b)

Sodium 10 6 6



Calcium 2660 904 1052 1140

Magnesium 61 1366 1531 959

Phosphorus 758 736 872 701

Zinc 864 845 878 823

Barium 0 0 0



SUS Visc@210F 62.5 59.0 (58.0) 60.1

Visc cSt (10.9) (9.9) 9.65 (10.2)

Flashpoint F 445 415 395

Fuel % No < 0.5 No < 0.5

Antifreeze % 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

Water % 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

Insolubles % 0.5 0.2 0.2

Sulfur % 7

Oxidation % 9

Nitration % 16

TBN 2.8 (e) 5.5 (d)



(a) First fill

(b) K&N panel air filter in stock airbox

(c) Purolator paper air filter in stock airbox

(d) Old Blackstone method

(e) New Blackstone method ASTM D-4739



SAE 30 viscosities should be: 9.30-12.49 cSt

SAE 40 viscosities should be: 12.50-16.49 cSt


I was hard on the oil this interval. First, I drove in the Lone Pine Time Trials (pics from last year). It's an autocross that's about 2.2 miles long, and with speeds of almost 90 mph in my slow car. The car did 16 laps, and ambient temperatures were 95-100F.

Shortly thereafter, on the way to Vegas, my radiator cracked in the 110 F head, and at times the indicated water temperature was slightly elevated. Since there was a loss of coolant, there may have been air pockets that resulted in local hots spots as well.

The car also did 9 runs at a local autocross (slower than Lone Pine) and a heck of a lot of mountain driving. The engine turns 3,500-4,000 rpm on the freeway. Ambient temperatures have generally been high. I always run the car hard, but this interval was substantially worse than the previous ones.

I'm fairly happy with this report. The lead is actually getting down to a decent level despite the hard driving, and I think the silicon ppm is excellent with the paper filter, given that my girlfriend lives on a dirt road in the desert.

I'm kind of alarmed by the low TBN and look forward to Terry's comments.

The oil was drained when this sample was taken, and replaced with the same. I used a PureONE filter again with the new oil.

[ July 24, 2003, 06:47 PM: Message edited by: mph ]
 
Excellent Results. Keep using that Pureone filter as it did a much better job than the Bosch. Purolator paper filter also did great. TBN is the new method probably so it is fine.
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[ July 24, 2003, 07:11 PM: Message edited by: TR3-2001SE ]
 
This is an interesting report, mph. I had the same engine for 136,000 miles right down to the K&N drop-in and used M1 5w-30 or 10w-30 but I never did oil analysis on it. You did benefit from the paper filter.

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Have the bearings in the distributor failed yet? Mine failed at about 125,000 miles. The new Hondas are better than ever. Upgrade!
 
Interesting. Moly dropped a lot from going to the 10W to 5W. But, you also changed oil filter too. Does that mean that the PureOnes are holding the moly in the filter? Or M1 doesn't believe in moly for their 5W oils?
 
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Originally posted by Schmoe:
Interesting. Moly dropped a lot from going to the 10W to 5W. But, you also changed oil filter too. Does that mean that the PureOnes are holding the moly in the filter? Or M1 doesn't believe in moly for their 5W oils?

Note the 5w30 runs were on the old tri-syn version of Mobil 1, while the 10w30 was on Super-syn. The old version didn't contain moly except for the limited amounts of SL formulated Tri-syn that hit the market shortly before the release of the supersyn product. The Pureone has nothing to do with the moly content.
 
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Originally posted by Jay:
Have the bearings in the distributor failed yet? Mine failed at about 125,000 miles. The new Hondas are better than ever. Upgrade!

Nope, not yet. But it's in the shop today, for what looks like a brake master cylinder failure. Soft pedal, and it's gone to the floor a couple of times while stopped. Bled system, no improvement.

The only Honda in the current lineup that really interests me (and it interests me a lot) is the S2000, but that's not in the budget right now. I just paid off the del Sol, and am enjoying the lack of car payments!

MNgopher is correct to point out that the 5W-30's were Tri-Syn, which did not include moly. I assume that the Mo in those analyses comes from CrMo steel, maybe piston rings?
 
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