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Here is the first UOA with MS5K after 11 OCs with PU. I had it tested with 3 different labs to ensure that I had good numbers from which to form a decision on which way I intend to go. Although this is only the first and only UOA thus far with MS5K, there is no question that I will continue with MS5K in this truck. My next OCI will be 7.5K and I will increase from there to find the limit of the oil, However, it seems to be very robust as there was about 1500 miles of towing during this OC.
Blackstone spilled part of the sample (but gave me the test for free to compensate) and thus I do not have FP and fuel tests and the other labs did not test for these parameters (however, I have not had a problem with it to date and I doubt that I do now). The numbers between all 3 labs seem fairly consistent except the TBN from WC must use a different "scale". In any event, I will remain with Blackstone for the future as I am satisfied with the overall quality of the tests. I have updated my UOA results to include air filter changes and added footnotes where relevant.
While I understand that it may take a few OCs to "level off", thus far, this oil has performed as well as PU in my truck (check the wear metals for the 5K PU runs for comparison). The stark revelation is that this comes at a 3X cost reduction ($17 for MS5K versus $51 for PU). Again, I fully acknowledge this is only one UOA, but I also know that I would never glean 3X the longevity by using PU. Let us assume for the sake of argument that 8K is the limit for MS5K, would I be able to stretch PU to 24K? Highly doubtful, and would there be a exponential increase in wear metals at 24K? Highly likely and therefore, I must ask the question--what would I be gaining by using a synthetic oil that costs 3X as much in my truck? My initial answer is--nothing, except an extra $34 in my pocket per OC. Stay tuned; I plan to continue to UOA every OC to build a viable data stream for the conventional MS5K versus synthetic PU (I will remove the AI and WC test information with subsequent postings--this was to allow me to see that the Blackstone numbers are consistent with other labs and I thought that I would share with all of you).
Thoughts? Comments?
Code:
Year: 2010 Make: Ford Model: F-150 FX4
Engine: 5.4L FFV Transmission: 6R80 Axle: 9.75 Ford ELD (3.73)
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CONVENTIONAL > SYNTHETIC
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Date: 06/12 06/12 06/12 | 05/12 02/12 11/11 09/11 07/11 06/11 05/11 03/11 02/11 01/11 10/10 9/10
Oil Brand/Type: MS5K MS5K MS5K | PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU MC
Oil Viscosity: 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 | 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20
API Service: SN SN SN | SM{A} SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM
Oil Filter: MC MC MC | MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC
Air Filter: NG NG NG | NG{B} MC MC MC MC MC{B} MC MC MC MC MC MC
Lab: WC AI BLKST | BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST
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Truck Mileage: 74,447 74,447 74,447 | 69,305 62,055 54,575 47,075 39,770 32,280 27,100 21,600 16,600 10,600 4,500 991
Oil Mileage: 5,142 5,142 5,142 | 7,250 7,480 7,500 7,305 7,490 5,180 5,500 5,000 6,000 6,100 3,509 991
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Aluminum: 1.7 1 2 | 3 3 5 3 2 2 3 3 6 3 3 3
Chromium 0.6 1 1 | 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0
Iron: 7.9 14 10 | 11 8 13 8 9 7 9 10 18 13 10 18
Copper: 0.9 2 1 | 2 1 2 2 2 2 3 4 4 5 9 41
Lead: 0.3 0 1 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
Tin: 0.2 0 0 | 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Molybdenum: 8.6 14 11 | 48 56 46 47 58 55 54 45 47 52 48 42
Nickel: 0.4 1 0 | 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
Manganese: {D} {D} 0 | 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 2 10
Silver: {D} 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Titanium: 19 28 24 | 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Potassium: 1.8 2 2 | 6 0 6 5 1 0 2 3 4 2 3 14
Boron: 12 11 9 | 91 249 156 144 156 233 244 230 249 278 258 272
Silicon: 11 {D} 12 | 13 11 16 19 21 19 19 17 16 29 45 111
Sodium: 239 391 284 | 4 4 7 5 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 9
Calcium: 1835 2367 2195 | 2647 3168 3003 3053 2941 2900 2814 2613 2740 2911 2706 2203
Magnesium: 11 18 15 | 17 15 17 17 16 12 12 11 12 12 12 14
Phosphorus: 586 801 655 | 688 728 671 668 710 713 676 608 629 691 643 773
Zinc: 604 919 765 | 762 820 724 743 861 834 813 675 718 774 752 835
Barium: 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 16
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cSt Visc. @ 100°C (UOA) 8.29 7.9 7.73 | 8.34 8.25 7.93 7.80 8.45 8.04 8.14 8.21 8.12 7.72 7.94 7.09
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VOA MS5K cSt Visc. @ 100°C 7.48 7.48 7.48 | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
MOBIL cSt Visc. @ 100°C 8.4 8.4 8.4 | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
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VOA PU cSt Visc. @ 100°C --- --- --- | 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 ---
SOPUS cSt Visc. @ 100°C --- --- --- | 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 ---
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SUS Viscosity @ 210°F {D} {D} 51.5 | 53.5 53.2 52.2 51.7 53.9 52.5 52.9 53.1 52.8 51.5 52.2 49.4
Flashpoint in °F {D} {D} {C} | 415 405 420 415 410 425 405 390 410 390 400 390
MOBIL Flashpoint in °F 446 446 446 | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
SOPUS Flashpoint in °F --- --- --- | 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 ---
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Fuel %
Antifreeze % 0.0 0.0 0.0 | 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Water %
Insolubles % {D} {D} 0.1 | 0.3 0.3 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.1
TBN 6.29 3.19 3.7 | --- --- --- 5.4 --- --- 5.6 4.8 5.3 9.4 7.5 ---
TAN 1.76 --- --- | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
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CONVENTIONAL > SYNTHETIC
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NOTES:
Acronyms: BLKST=Blackstone | AI=Analysts, Inc. | WC=WearCheck | MS5K=Mobil Super 5000 | PU=Pennzoil Ultra
{A} Possibly SN in SM bottle; note drop in Calcium
{B} Air filter change; MC=Motorcraft, NG=Napa Gold
{C} Blackstone spilled sample; not enough remaining to test FP and Fuel %
{D} Not tested or not part of particular lab test
Blackstone spilled part of the sample (but gave me the test for free to compensate) and thus I do not have FP and fuel tests and the other labs did not test for these parameters (however, I have not had a problem with it to date and I doubt that I do now). The numbers between all 3 labs seem fairly consistent except the TBN from WC must use a different "scale". In any event, I will remain with Blackstone for the future as I am satisfied with the overall quality of the tests. I have updated my UOA results to include air filter changes and added footnotes where relevant.
While I understand that it may take a few OCs to "level off", thus far, this oil has performed as well as PU in my truck (check the wear metals for the 5K PU runs for comparison). The stark revelation is that this comes at a 3X cost reduction ($17 for MS5K versus $51 for PU). Again, I fully acknowledge this is only one UOA, but I also know that I would never glean 3X the longevity by using PU. Let us assume for the sake of argument that 8K is the limit for MS5K, would I be able to stretch PU to 24K? Highly doubtful, and would there be a exponential increase in wear metals at 24K? Highly likely and therefore, I must ask the question--what would I be gaining by using a synthetic oil that costs 3X as much in my truck? My initial answer is--nothing, except an extra $34 in my pocket per OC. Stay tuned; I plan to continue to UOA every OC to build a viable data stream for the conventional MS5K versus synthetic PU (I will remove the AI and WC test information with subsequent postings--this was to allow me to see that the Blackstone numbers are consistent with other labs and I thought that I would share with all of you).
Thoughts? Comments?
Code:
Year: 2010 Make: Ford Model: F-150 FX4
Engine: 5.4L FFV Transmission: 6R80 Axle: 9.75 Ford ELD (3.73)
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CONVENTIONAL > SYNTHETIC
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Date: 06/12 06/12 06/12 | 05/12 02/12 11/11 09/11 07/11 06/11 05/11 03/11 02/11 01/11 10/10 9/10
Oil Brand/Type: MS5K MS5K MS5K | PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU PU MC
Oil Viscosity: 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 | 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20 5W-20
API Service: SN SN SN | SM{A} SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM SM
Oil Filter: MC MC MC | MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC MC
Air Filter: NG NG NG | NG{B} MC MC MC MC MC{B} MC MC MC MC MC MC
Lab: WC AI BLKST | BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST BLKST
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Truck Mileage: 74,447 74,447 74,447 | 69,305 62,055 54,575 47,075 39,770 32,280 27,100 21,600 16,600 10,600 4,500 991
Oil Mileage: 5,142 5,142 5,142 | 7,250 7,480 7,500 7,305 7,490 5,180 5,500 5,000 6,000 6,100 3,509 991
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Aluminum: 1.7 1 2 | 3 3 5 3 2 2 3 3 6 3 3 3
Chromium 0.6 1 1 | 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0
Iron: 7.9 14 10 | 11 8 13 8 9 7 9 10 18 13 10 18
Copper: 0.9 2 1 | 2 1 2 2 2 2 3 4 4 5 9 41
Lead: 0.3 0 1 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
Tin: 0.2 0 0 | 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Molybdenum: 8.6 14 11 | 48 56 46 47 58 55 54 45 47 52 48 42
Nickel: 0.4 1 0 | 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
Manganese: {D} {D} 0 | 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 2 10
Silver: {D} 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Titanium: 19 28 24 | 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
Potassium: 1.8 2 2 | 6 0 6 5 1 0 2 3 4 2 3 14
Boron: 12 11 9 | 91 249 156 144 156 233 244 230 249 278 258 272
Silicon: 11 {D} 12 | 13 11 16 19 21 19 19 17 16 29 45 111
Sodium: 239 391 284 | 4 4 7 5 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 9
Calcium: 1835 2367 2195 | 2647 3168 3003 3053 2941 2900 2814 2613 2740 2911 2706 2203
Magnesium: 11 18 15 | 17 15 17 17 16 12 12 11 12 12 12 14
Phosphorus: 586 801 655 | 688 728 671 668 710 713 676 608 629 691 643 773
Zinc: 604 919 765 | 762 820 724 743 861 834 813 675 718 774 752 835
Barium: 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 16
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cSt Visc. @ 100°C (UOA) 8.29 7.9 7.73 | 8.34 8.25 7.93 7.80 8.45 8.04 8.14 8.21 8.12 7.72 7.94 7.09
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VOA MS5K cSt Visc. @ 100°C 7.48 7.48 7.48 | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
MOBIL cSt Visc. @ 100°C 8.4 8.4 8.4 | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
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VOA PU cSt Visc. @ 100°C --- --- --- | 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 7.62 ---
SOPUS cSt Visc. @ 100°C --- --- --- | 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 8.41 ---
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SUS Viscosity @ 210°F {D} {D} 51.5 | 53.5 53.2 52.2 51.7 53.9 52.5 52.9 53.1 52.8 51.5 52.2 49.4
Flashpoint in °F {D} {D} {C} | 415 405 420 415 410 425 405 390 410 390 400 390
MOBIL Flashpoint in °F 446 446 446 | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
SOPUS Flashpoint in °F --- --- --- | 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 435 ---
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Fuel %
Antifreeze % 0.0 0.0 0.0 | 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Water %
Insolubles % {D} {D} 0.1 | 0.3 0.3 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.1
TBN 6.29 3.19 3.7 | --- --- --- 5.4 --- --- 5.6 4.8 5.3 9.4 7.5 ---
TAN 1.76 --- --- | --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
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CONVENTIONAL > SYNTHETIC
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NOTES:
Acronyms: BLKST=Blackstone | AI=Analysts, Inc. | WC=WearCheck | MS5K=Mobil Super 5000 | PU=Pennzoil Ultra
{A} Possibly SN in SM bottle; note drop in Calcium
{B} Air filter change; MC=Motorcraft, NG=Napa Gold
{C} Blackstone spilled sample; not enough remaining to test FP and Fuel %
{D} Not tested or not part of particular lab test
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