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Originally Posted By: DirkDiggler
that's my point. If BMW suddenly upped the standards, well, where is my notice as an owner? Where is my new owner's page update? [censored], with everything happening at GM now (I used to work in the product lit group), then I guess I have a class action for BMW's failure to make me aware of new standards and the change in maintenance requirements. Of course, this is a [censored] argument, but it proves that the BMW LL-01 standard (which existed well before 2008), envisioned other oils that were ok then but all of a sudden they are not acceptable or is it because the oil manufacturer didn't want to pay the license fee? Does that mean other oils are ok? Well, as BMW states, they suggest those 3 oils. . . . but it is only a suggestion.
Isn't it clear? They want you to call BMW to find out what approved oils are the flavour of the month
And then they'll try and sell you on their own oil
However, there is enough documentation out there (including what was/is available on BMW's website) that simply states that LL-01 is the standard and any oil that meets it suites BMW's requirements be it GC 0w-30, M1 0w-40...etc. as long as it carries the spec, you are fine.
The writing in the manual is ridiculous, I agree.
that's my point. If BMW suddenly upped the standards, well, where is my notice as an owner? Where is my new owner's page update? [censored], with everything happening at GM now (I used to work in the product lit group), then I guess I have a class action for BMW's failure to make me aware of new standards and the change in maintenance requirements. Of course, this is a [censored] argument, but it proves that the BMW LL-01 standard (which existed well before 2008), envisioned other oils that were ok then but all of a sudden they are not acceptable or is it because the oil manufacturer didn't want to pay the license fee? Does that mean other oils are ok? Well, as BMW states, they suggest those 3 oils. . . . but it is only a suggestion.
Isn't it clear? They want you to call BMW to find out what approved oils are the flavour of the month
However, there is enough documentation out there (including what was/is available on BMW's website) that simply states that LL-01 is the standard and any oil that meets it suites BMW's requirements be it GC 0w-30, M1 0w-40...etc. as long as it carries the spec, you are fine.
The writing in the manual is ridiculous, I agree.