0W oil is a waste

[Clevy]

And a 5w-30 syn formulated with pao will be thin enough for most every cold climate on earth.
Very few places need an oil with a pour point of -55c,which iirc some boutique 5w-30s come close to.
Yes a 0w oil is nice to have but no way would I say it's required anywhere on earth.
A block heater can overcome a lot of cold at stsrt up,so if plugged in oil grade isn't really a consideration.
My charger heats the oil and engine when plugged in. Last year I saw -38c ambient and when I checked my oil temp prior to starting the engine the oil temp was -5c,my coolant temp was higher at 9c.
So at start up the oil easily pumped and hot air would blow from the vents in a few minutes.
My C3 when plugged in at -20 when I started it the coolant temp showed 75 on the gauge and within a minute or 2 was climbing.
So with these kinds of systems in use I'm less concerned about using a 0w.
If I had no block heater or was unable to plug in all winter I would certainly consider using one.
In all reality at -35 I'll bet that it takes the 5w a split second longer to reach to end of the oil circuit,which is insignificant in the real world,in my opinion.

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: MalfunctionProne
Originally Posted By: disneyfire
Originally Posted By: KevGuy
0W oils are are waste for most people, in particular the USA. I live in the northern Canada and I use 5W and all is good. The only people I can see benefiting from is people in the way way north of me such as the NWT......and they all use oil pan heaters, block heaters and battery blankets. Just stick with the 5W-whatever and all is good.

Nope. Wrong. Ow has been used in Japan long before here. Ow20 oil is a fantastic grade. Soon we'll see 0w10 and its even better.
One should use what the manufacturer states. Most all new Honda and Toyota use 0w20. They won't ever have any engine issues. Period.


Dude... it is an angry Canadian that "works in the oil business" - with an axe to grind with 0W, and we that love 0W.

Cantankerous, surly, ill-informed, and probably drunk.

A waste. As we have established.

Weird..



Leave the Canadian part out would ya.


Originally Posted By: 4wheeldog
Originally Posted By: MalfunctionProne
Originally Posted By: disneyfire
Originally Posted By: KevGuy
0W oils are are waste for most people, in particular the USA. I live in the northern Canada and I use 5W and all is good. The only people I can see benefiting from is people in the way way north of me such as the NWT......and they all use oil pan heaters, block heaters and battery blankets. Just stick with the 5W-whatever and all is good.

Nope. Wrong. Ow has been used in Japan long before here. Ow20 oil is a fantastic grade. Soon we'll see 0w10 and its even better.

One should use what the manufacturer states. Most all new Honda and Toyota use 0w20. They won't ever have any engine issues. Period.


Dude... it is an angry Canadian that "works in the oil business" - with an axe to grind with 0W, and we that love 0W.

Cantankerous, surly, ill-informed, and probably drunk.

A waste. As we have established.

Weird..


He is just upset because that [censored] oil he is mining is not fit to make into lubricants. Asphalt, maybe......But not lube oil.



What does that have to do with anything.
The American market buys pretty much every drop so if you think a single Canadian cares what is done with it after its paid for you've lost your mind.
And don't massive ships use a thick dense oil for fuel. I remember reading about some container ships that had these huge engines that operated like a diesel and compression causes combustion.
Anyway iirc they have to heat the oil to 80c or something so it could be injected and was mist enough to combust.
I distinctly remember the narrator saying the fuel grade was 1 grade up from road tar.
So if it's good enough for asphalt it's good enough for a container ship.
Don't worry. They pay the same as you do.
No deals.

 

[Guitarmageddon]

Originally Posted By: KevGuy
What I find hilarious is when you get some Yankee in usa somewhere panicking when the temperature gets down to near the freezing point (32 F or 0 C for you yanks who don't know what that is). They think they must have 0W- in their car, otherwise it won't start or they are going to do horrible damage to their engine. You see statements like "geez, it got down to 35 F last night, was glad when I went to start the car this morning that I had 0W-20 in there otherwise I'd be screwed."

Like I said, I live in a place where it gets down to -40 C (that's -40 F for you yanks who don't understand C) and I just put in 5W-20 all year round as specified on the oil cap. The vehicle is 7 years old and I don't have my engine blowing up on me. I don't plug in until it gets below -30 C (-22 F for you special people) and I have no issues.


Half of my family is french-Canadian and I have memories of summer vacation to Canada to visit them every year when I was young. Let me say, this whole "yank" thing is the typical condescending p-r-i-c-k attitude that many Canadians like Kevin have. Why? Not sure. I suppose I don't consider myself a yankee either, since its really for North-easterners. I never really understood why so many Canadians walk around with that sour attitude towards America. I'm sorry about the keystone pipeline thing, trust me, we're working on it!!

And dude, this is an internet forum regarding motor oil....get a life.

 

[daman]

Just run 20w50 in everything you own and all will b good

 

[4wheeldog]

Originally Posted By: Clevy


He is just upset because that [censored] oil he is mining is not fit to make into lubricants. Asphalt, maybe......But not lube oil.



What does that have to do with anything.
The American market buys pretty much every drop so if you think a single Canadian cares what is done with it after its paid for you've lost your mind.
And don't massive ships use a thick dense oil for fuel. I remember reading about some container ships that had these huge engines that operated like a diesel and compression causes combustion.
Anyway iirc they have to heat the oil to 80c or something so it could be injected and was mist enough to combust.
I distinctly remember the narrator saying the fuel grade was 1 grade up from road tar.
So if it's good enough for asphalt it's good enough for a container ship.
Don't worry. They pay the same as you do.
No deals. [/quote]

Doesn't matter to me......If the price of a barrel goes down a bit more, that stuff will stay in the ground, and Kev's grandchildren can find something to do with it.

 

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
What part of the synthetic oil allowing longer OCI's, cleaner engine, better cold-engine fuel economy, etc has anything to do with a 0w30 vs a 5w30. Synthetic come in 5w30, 10w30, 15w40, etc as much as any conventional.


As of today I don't think I've seen any 0wXX conventional oil yet, so mandating 0w oil is mandating synthetic.

 

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted By: jrmason
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
I think most of the 0w spec from car manufacturer is to mandate the use of higher end base oil that makes the oil last 10k miles.

Also lower viscosity helps some hybrid stay in lean burn / Atkinson cycle more often, so that's a bonus for sure.

If your engine weren't design for it, it may not help over other synthetic oil, and that may be a "waste".


^ this


The 2013 - current Cummins engine in the Ram has 15k mile service intervals and is spec'd for....conventional 15w40


That's diesel right? completely different animal compare to gasoline engine, right?

Beside, how many quarts of oil is in that engine sump? vs those tiny 3 qt 1.6L gasoline engine?

 

[A_Harman]

Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
What part of the synthetic oil allowing longer OCI's, cleaner engine, better cold-engine fuel economy, etc has anything to do with a 0w30 vs a 5w30. Synthetic come in 5w30, 10w30, 15w40, etc as much as any conventional.


As of today I don't think I've seen any 0wXX conventional oil yet, so mandating 0w oil is mandating synthetic.


Brad Penn's 0w30 is a synthetic blend. Weird.
Even weirder: Their 0w20 is full synthetic.

 

[Tabor]

Originally Posted By: Clevy
And don't massive ships use a thick dense oil for fuel. I remember reading about some container ships that had these huge engines that operated like a diesel and compression causes combustion.
Anyway iirc they have to heat the oil to 80c or something so it could be injected and was mist enough to combust.
I distinctly remember the narrator saying the fuel grade was 1 grade up from road tar.


Yup, my friend in oil/gas exploration calls it "bunker diesel", Wikipedia lumps it into bunker fuel.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: TiredTrucker
What part of the synthetic oil allowing longer OCI's, cleaner engine, better cold-engine fuel economy, etc has anything to do with a 0w30 vs a 5w30. Synthetic come in 5w30, 10w30, 15w40, etc as much as any conventional.


As of today I don't think I've seen any 0wXX conventional oil yet, so mandating 0w oil is mandating synthetic.


Brad Penn's 0w30 is a synthetic blend. Weird.
Even weirder: Their 0w20 is full synthetic.


Honda also makes a 0W20 that's a blend.

 

[Tabor]

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Honda also makes a 0W20 that's a blend.


As does MotorCraft, although I have yet to see it in the wild.

 

[Nickdfresh]

It's not a waste of money for me. I should be getting a $12 rebate any day now bringing my Mobil 1 0W-30 down to about $13 and I figure I may get at least one free tank of gas with the fuel economy savings. A "waste?" Do tell.

The previous GC 0W-30 I used was also bought on rebate. Should I have bought the Castrol SYNTEC 5W-30? which apparently is/was a much lessor oil..

 

[artificialist]

If you rally want to see if it is a waste or not, you could have one car run 5wXX and identical car run 0wXX and see what results you get.

 

[TiredTrucker]

Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: jrmason
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
I think most of the 0w spec from car manufacturer is to mandate the use of higher end base oil that makes the oil last 10k miles.

Also lower viscosity helps some hybrid stay in lean burn / Atkinson cycle more often, so that's a bonus for sure.

If your engine weren't design for it, it may not help over other synthetic oil, and that may be a "waste".


^ this


The 2013 - current Cummins engine in the Ram has 15k mile service intervals and is spec'd for....conventional 15w40


That's diesel right? completely different animal compare to gasoline engine, right?

Beside, how many quarts of oil is in that engine sump? vs those tiny 3 qt 1.6L gasoline engine?


How about a 4 quart sump in my New Holland compact tractor diesel 1.6L. Has a standard recommended OCI similar in hours to my heavy commercial diesel with a 38 qt sump.

 

[userfriendly]

There seems to be 2 camps on this topic.
People who have tried 0w engine oils and have an opinion.
People who have not tried 0W engine oils and have an opinion.

If 0W40 was the only engine oil available what would we talk about?

 

[Tabor]

Originally Posted By: KevGuy
0W oils are are waste for most people, in particular the USA.


I've been avoiding this thread because it seems like trolling. But I still want to do a little math (for my own situation in my 2014 Ford Focus SE) when driving 1000mi/month for 10 months:

Depreciation according to Edmunds: $1511
Insurance: $1010
Gas (@ $3/gal): $937.50
Wiper blades (pro-rated 41.7% of one set): $18.72
Cabin air filter (pro-rated 50% of one): $7.40
Engine air filter (pro-rated 33.3% of one): $4.69
Motorcraft FL-910S: $4.41
Windshield washer fluid: $2
---------------
Total: $3495.71

I will ignore brake fluid, brake lining, clutch, dampers, transmission fluid, coolant, spark plugs, and batteries since I got tired of doing math. But the difference between 5qt of Mobil1 0W-20 AFE and 5qt of Motorcraft SynBlend 5W-20 is $7 at my local Walmart. Since it is the difference between paying $3513.71 for 10 months of operation and paying 3520.71 for 10 months of operation, do you really think I care?

 

[aa1986]

You're paying too much for windshield washer fluid.

 

[dlundblad]

How is 0w20 a waste when its normally priced the same as 5w20?

Cheapest 0w20 I have seen is Napa's synthetic. Made by Valvoline IIRC.. not to be confused with synpower. Great oil nonetheless and Id use with confidence.

 

[CarbonSteel]

Originally Posted By: artificialist
If you rally want to see if it is a waste or not, you could have one car run 5wXX and identical car run 0wXX and see what results you get.

Since both 0W-xx and 5W-xx (in the same brand/type) cost the same it is essentially irrelevant--there is no waste either way. Well, except for the "rant" from the OP.

 

[kschachn]

How would you ever notice a difference? Really, what would you look for?

Originally Posted By: artificialist
If you rally want to see if it is a waste or not, you could have one car run 5wXX and identical car run 0wXX and see what results you get.