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#979263 - 09/01/07 06:26 PM IXL Anti-Friction Metal Conditioner
SixPak Offline


Registered: 10/22/05
Posts: 10
Loc: Dallas, TX.
I was at a Flea Market recently (Huge Red Flag For Me) and came across this guy with a Ford Six Cylinder engine on a stand, running, without an oil pan in place and the valve cover removed.

When he saw me looking for some sort of electric motor that might be driving this thing, he came over and revved the engine a few times for me.

No audible engine knocks?!?

He claimed that the oil had been treated with a Product called IXL Anti-Friction Metal Conditioner.

I did a google search and all I found was the advertising literature he had along with the productfor sale.

I figured before I dropped a thirty dollar bill on something that may or may not work into my engines crankcase I'd do a little sniffing around.

Anyone know about or ever hear of this stuff?




LINK: http://www.lubricationproducts.com/ixl.htm

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#979264 - 09/01/07 08:41 PM Re: IXL Anti-Friction Metal Conditioner [Re: SixPak]
Dr_No Offline


Registered: 07/06/07
Posts: 1231
Loc: Canada
If not chlorinated parrafin

Most likely a highly friction modified additive, since it is compatible in transmissions.
Would also guess alot of extreme pressure agents in there, too.

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#979265 - 09/01/07 09:43 PM Re: IXL Anti-Friction Metal Conditioner [Re: Dr_No]
wileyE Offline


Registered: 11/18/04
Posts: 1967
Loc: Kitsap, WA
Know nothing about this product but another similar product (Energy Release) with the same claims and marketing tactics was tested by dynotech research. There WAS effect, but not a desirable one. As the hours on the dyno accumulated the engine made less power, compression and ring seal was reduced. The result was evident by streaking from blow-by below the ring land. Same motor was put back together deglazed with a light hone and run on regular oil, compression and hp was restored and maintained with no degradion.

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#979266 - 09/01/07 09:51 PM Re: IXL Anti-Friction Metal Conditioner [Re: wileyE]
Shelby Offline


Registered: 07/31/06
Posts: 664
Loc: Mobile
Read the MSDS first, they don't post them but they say their available. The only Anti-Friction metal conditioner I need is a good synthetic oil, and for "$34.63" I can get a whole lot of it.
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#979267 - 09/01/07 11:40 PM Re: IXL Anti-Friction Metal Conditioner [Re: Shelby]
TurboJim Offline


Registered: 10/30/04
Posts: 832
Loc: Oregon
It's one thing to run a engine, such as this one, on a test stand, it's another thing to run it under a load.

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#979268 - 09/02/07 03:57 AM Re: IXL Anti-Friction Metal Conditioner [Re: TurboJim]
Tempest Offline


Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 10611
Loc: Las Vegas NV
Pretty much any "Metal Conditioner" is a chlorinated compound of some sort.
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#979269 - 09/02/07 07:54 AM Re: IXL Anti-Friction Metal Conditioner [Re: Tempest]
bruce381 Offline


Registered: 06/23/05
Posts: 3327
Loc: Millbrae, CA
Quote:

Pretty much any "Metal Conditioner" is a chlorinated compound of some sort.




100% correct, seems to be a theme that pops up every few years and is always a "Metal Conditioner" and treats the oil and not an additve and "100% petroluem based"
bruce

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#979270 - 09/02/07 04:33 PM Re: IXL Anti-Friction Metal Conditioner [Re: bruce381]
TallPaul Offline


Registered: 10/22/03
Posts: 13114
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Yeah, I bought some of that Energy Release c r a p back in 2000 and put a few oz in my rear end because it was howling. Well eventually the pinion got so loose it was ready to fall out. ER didn't help, but maybe contributed to the failure, though it was likely going anyway. Their salesmen really sound convincing. From not on I just buy motor oil and zddp additives. No fancy stuff with fancy claims.

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#979271 - 09/03/07 06:00 PM Re: IXL Anti-Friction Metal Conditioner [Re: TallPaul]
Donald Offline


Registered: 03/21/04
Posts: 18514
Loc: Upstate NY
No car company suggests any additive in the oil. If you want better additives in the oil, just buy better oil, such as synthetic oil like Amsoil or M1, etc.
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#979272 - 09/03/07 07:24 PM Re: IXL Anti-Friction Metal Conditioner [Re: Donald]
TurboJim Offline


Registered: 10/30/04
Posts: 832
Loc: Oregon
One of the applications is for a radiator. Isn't that unusual or do all products like this (chlorinated something) mix with oil and water?

Is there any evidence that so called metal conditioners really do attach themselves to the metal?

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#979273 - 09/03/07 08:30 PM Re: IXL Anti-Friction Metal Conditioner [Re: TurboJim]
Tempest Offline


Registered: 03/21/06
Posts: 10611
Loc: Las Vegas NV
There is NO need for a chlorinated EP additive in the radiator and any company telling you there is very shady IMHO.
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#979274 - 09/03/07 11:03 PM Re: IXL Anti-Friction Metal Conditioner [Re: Tempest]
Frank Offline


Registered: 05/28/02
Posts: 2164
Loc: Jacksonville Beach Fl
Friction reducing chemistry-oil stabilizers-metal conditioners all work on a simple princple they "paint" the metal. Sealing in all the dirt & contaminants that caused the problem in the first place. Initally some even work for a while than the dedigration of the "additives" in the latest wonder product starts to break down causing you to spend big bucks.The people who blend up these products are betting you will never connect your "new" mechanical issues
with the "wonder product" you put in your engine. That oil your so proud of is lubricating a chemical coating not your parts in your engine


Edited by Frank (09/03/07 11:10 PM)

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#979275 - 09/04/07 12:19 AM Re: IXL Anti-Friction Metal Conditioner [Re: Frank]
Lonnie Offline


Registered: 10/17/06
Posts: 2304
Loc: Los Angles, CA
This is what Cermax and most other additives are all about. They claim to coat parts in a running engine. This process has got to lead to more reactive particles and corrosion. It’s difficult to believe that people still believe in the magic bullet, but they do. As you may have read I created Oilmax from engine oil and pink dye and we gave it to 10 good candidates to test. It improved their mileage. After they were told what the test really was they were surprised at the results. They proved the idea that people want a magic bullet and later confirmed it when they wanted to buy some for their personal vehicles, even after being told it was a placebo. I have received requests from others when they heard that an additive test had been done and it improved fuel mileage. The fact that there was any interest in Cermax and that the thread has grown is proof that there is interest in the magic bullet, even on BITOG, the home of Amsoil, Schaeffer’s, Castrol and common sense and moderation in all things lubrication.

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#979276 - 09/04/07 03:55 PM Re: IXL Anti-Friction Metal Conditioner [Re: Lonnie]
SixPak Offline


Registered: 10/22/05
Posts: 10
Loc: Dallas, TX.
I figured this stuff must be some kind of snake oil since I'd never seen or heard of it before, coupled with the fact this all took place in a flea market.

Seems I made the right decision in walking away.

Thanks for all the input.

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