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#940739 - 07/13/07 03:48 AM Old Fuel--Damages and Top End Lubrication a MUST!
pastmaster Offline


Registered: 03/23/05
Posts: 615
Loc: Alma, Michigan USA
Gang,

I like watching "Jay Leno's Garage", and saw this, on his Duesenburg Rolling Chassis and old fuel. He stuck the exhaust valve in the guide, of the Duesenburg straight 8 engine. This is what he found and his modifications to prevent it. He says to use ATF in the GAS, as a top-engine lubricant to help lubricate the exhaust valves and guides. I don't agree on the ATF, but, it's better than nothing.

MMO-Marvel Mystery Oil, is the right lubricant for the job. If you don't want to use MMO, I think the new 2-cycle oils would do the job as they are designed to be combusted.

You may not agree on the mods, particularly on a Duesenburg, but watch this clip, from his site. It's good!

http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/index.shtml?vidID=126269

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#940740 - 07/13/07 05:35 AM Re: Old Fuel--Damages and Top End Lubrication a MUST! [Re: pastmaster]
Panzerman Offline


Registered: 12/16/06
Posts: 3451
Loc: Port Orange, Florida
Yeah but not in our new emission controlled vehicles, seems 2 stroke oil makes Converters turn a pretty neon red right before they melt into a ball.
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#940741 - 07/13/07 07:22 AM Re: Old Fuel--Damages and Top End Lubrication a MUST! [Re: Panzerman]
pastmaster Offline


Registered: 03/23/05
Posts: 615
Loc: Alma, Michigan USA
Panzerman,

This advice is for pre-75 cars w/o cats. Those are modern cars, with cats, and this won't work if you want to keep emissions legal. Most of these cars have hardened seats and guides to run on unleaded fuels. This is for old stuff like Jay's '29 Duesenburg, or your '65 GTO, Pontiac and Ferrari. Not for your Toyota, Honda or Hyundai.

Gas isn't like it was and it's lube quality is dry. If it's old, it's just that much worse.
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#940742 - 07/14/07 08:55 PM Re: Old Fuel--Damages and Top End Lubrication a MUST! [Re: pastmaster]
another Todd Offline


Registered: 05/15/06
Posts: 2129
Loc: Lakeside CA
Wonder what oil he uses. Seems to me it would carbon up the valve stem and cause even more problems. I think sta-bil, like he said plus MMO in the fuel would be a better fix.
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#940743 - 07/18/07 12:37 AM Re: Old Fuel--Damages and Top End Lubrication a MU [Re: another Todd]
Jaymus Offline


Registered: 05/11/07
Posts: 1260
Loc: Tennessee
What are you saying? Are you talking about the engines that need leaded fuel? I run a little racing fuel mixed with unleaded fuel in our Ford 8N. Half and half. It runs so good on a mix like that.
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#940744 - 07/18/07 08:03 AM Re: Old Fuel--Damages and Top End Lubrication a MU [Re: Jaymus]
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Registered: 02/01/06
Posts: 3833
Loc: NEPA
I use 2-Cycle at 500:1 in the new Acura. Sue me.

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#940745 - 07/18/07 09:12 AM Re: Old Fuel--Damages and Top End Lubrication a MU [Re: Auto-Union]
Dr_No Offline


Registered: 07/06/07
Posts: 1231
Loc: Canada
Auto-Union
Have you marked any benefits from mixing in 2-cycle?

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#940746 - 07/19/07 03:11 AM Re: Old Fuel--Damages and Top End Lubrication a MU [Re: Dr_No]
mechtech2 Offline


Registered: 09/05/06
Posts: 19479
Loc: Chicago Area
I started using up the snowblower mixed 2 stroke fuel in the cars. Always noticed smoother running, and perceived pep.
Not huge, but consistent. I use some ashless 2 stroke oil added to UCL in my fuel, at 2-3 ounces/10 gal.
I have heard of motorcycle racing teams using regular 50/1 2 stroke oil in their very high revving 4 STROKE road race bikes. It keeps the valves and top end lubed and alive.
As to the cat, I don't see a problem with these diluted mixtures, and the ashless type of 2 stroke oil.

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#940747 - 07/22/07 09:02 PM Re: Old Fuel--Damages and Top End Lubrication a MUST! [Re: pastmaster]
tackleberry625 Offline


Registered: 08/07/06
Posts: 667
Loc: South, FL
I have been using MMO is my 2002 toyota tundra, every tank, since the first tank. I use 4oz per 10 gallons as MMO says and I have never had any problems with my truck. It helps lube the fuel pump and injecters.
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#940748 - 07/24/07 06:59 AM Re: Old Fuel--Damages and Top End Lubrication a MUST! [Re: tackleberry625]
oilboy123 Offline


Registered: 12/05/03
Posts: 6938
Loc: Everett, Washington
Added to my favs. I will check it out sometime.

I have not run MMO for maybe 20 yrs. Maybe I will give it a shot in the gas sometime.
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#940749 - 07/26/07 03:16 PM Re: Old Fuel--Damages and Top End Lubrication a MU [Re: oilboy123]
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Registered: 12/10/02
Posts: 9364
Loc: USA
some what related. my 96 sunfire sat since 6/21-7/25 from a car accident with 3/4 tank of gas. when I fired it up, black smoke came out of the exhaust. The car never smokes. I didn't use any fuel additive while it sat. the next day I drove 5 miles and passed emissions testing. I've had another scenario where a car sat for 2-3 months and I didn't add any fuel injector cleaner, but I did buy fresh gas to mix with the old as I will do the 96 sunfire.
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#940750 - 07/29/07 02:50 PM Re: Old Fuel--Damages and Top End Lubrication a MUST! [Re: Panzerman]
tackleberry625 Offline


Registered: 08/07/06
Posts: 667
Loc: South, FL
??????????? I have been using this stuff on all my vehs since 1979 and I have NEVER had a cat go out on me.....MMO all the way

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#940751 - 07/30/07 07:50 PM Re: Old Fuel--Damages and Top End Lubrication a MUST! [Re: Panzerman]
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Registered: 08/07/06
Posts: 667
Loc: South, FL
Quote:

Yeah but not in our new emission controlled vehicles, seems 2 stroke oil makes Converters turn a pretty neon red right before they melt into a ball.




this is directly from the MMO website. www.marvelmysteroil.com

Can I use MMO with every fill-up?
Yes. In fact many Marvel users who use MMO with every fill-up report significant increases in fuel mileage.

Will MMO cause any damage to oxygen sensors, fuel sensors or catalytic converters?
No. MMO has undergone rigorous testing to ensure the safety of all internal components in your vehicle including highly-sensitive oxygen sensors, fuel sensors and catalytic converters.

Can MMO be use in vehicles with fuel injectors?
Yes. MMO can be used in vehicles with fuel injectors. MMO provides additional lubrication to the injectors and helps prevent the formation of hard carbon deposits on the injectors. Injectors fouled with hard carbon deposits do not perform optimally and reduce mileage and performance.


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#940752 - 07/30/07 07:57 PM Re: Old Fuel--Damages and Top End Lubrication a MUST! [Re: tackleberry625]
tackleberry625 Offline


Registered: 08/07/06
Posts: 667
Loc: South, FL
Quote:

Quote:

Yeah but not in our new emission controlled vehicles, seems 2 stroke oil makes Converters turn a pretty neon red right before they melt into a ball.




this is directly from the MMO website. www.marvelmysteroil.com

Can I use MMO with every fill-up?
Yes. In fact many Marvel users who use MMO with every fill-up report significant increases in fuel mileage.

Will MMO cause any damage to oxygen sensors, fuel sensors or catalytic converters?
No. MMO has undergone rigorous testing to ensure the safety of all internal components in your vehicle including highly-sensitive oxygen sensors, fuel sensors and catalytic converters.

Can MMO be use in vehicles with fuel injectors?
Yes. MMO can be used in vehicles with fuel injectors. MMO provides additional lubrication to the injectors and helps prevent the formation of hard carbon deposits on the injectors. Injectors fouled with hard carbon deposits do not perform optimally and reduce mileage and performance.






sorry typo. the correct website is www.marvelmysteryoil.com

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