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#828938 - 02/08/07 10:15 AM Re: Is it less civil on BITOG, or is it just me? [Re: LouDawg]
Cicero Offline


Registered: 12/29/04
Posts: 346
Loc: New Mexico
How about a forum just for the real deal oil experts only? Some "mega-posters" and "experts by their own lights" would not qualify and some with only a few posts would. "Credentials" required or something like that.
I always enjoy reading the posts of certain people, gentleman all, who from time to time add their expert knowledge, opinions and thoughts to a thread. It might get some of the old timers to post more if they didn't have to endure goofy questions and comments from guys like me.
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#828939 - 02/08/07 11:15 AM Re: Is it less civil on BITOG, or is it just me? [Re: LouDawg]
Merkava_4 Offline


Registered: 01/30/07
Posts: 15370
Loc: Clovis, CA
It helps to not have an opinion. I know which oils a good and which oils are total garbage, but I sure as heck am not going to tell you.

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#828940 - 02/08/07 02:41 PM Re: Is it less civil on BITOG, or is it just me? [Re: LouDawg]
moribundman Offline


Registered: 06/02/03
Posts: 23591
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Maybe it's just me, but I seem to notice a lot more smart-aleck comments




Yup, it's just you.

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#828941 - 02/08/07 03:35 PM Re: Is it less civil on BITOG, or is it just me? [Re: moribundman]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 47100
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Agreed.

Looks like mori and buster and I will need to cut back.

Seriously - it depends mostly on the threads you click on. If you don't like to read any "ugly" threads don't click on them. Oh.

As a side note just avoid any threads that have any question of conventional vs. synthetic. Be warned that this thread type takes MANY forms. Posters will do their best to disguise this "discussion" - mostly noobies - but sometimes some asinine deekwad with 200-300 mostly stupid posts will ask this question along the lines of "how often should I pi~~ per day?" . Also avoid any threads with "You ARE a piece of sh~~" in the title.

Have a GREAT and FRIENDLY day!

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#828942 - 02/08/07 03:49 PM Re: Is it less civil on BITOG, or is it just me? [Re: moribundman]
farrarfan1 Offline


Registered: 06/24/04
Posts: 1491
Loc: Indiana
When I joined approximately 2.5 years ago it was because I genuinely was interested in the science of lubrication. I naively assumed that the board consisted primarily of people that worked in the field and had actual working knowledge about oil.Sadly that is not the case. Yes there are some genuine experts that are highly trained and some that are self taught that post.It has become increasingly frustrating to wade through the endless topics about which oil smells best and who makes Super Tech in order to find the ocassional piece of worthwhile information. How many Havoline vs GTX or Pennzoil vs Valvoline topics have to be posted before someone stops asking questions that can't be answered? We have posters that want to be taken seriously when they ask which oil to run in their BMW but they type like a 12 year old girl sending her boyfriend an instant message.I believe way too many people overstep their ability by their attempts to "analyze" or "interpret" every UOA and give their recomendations.Auto Unions suggestion of a NOOB status is one of the best ideas I've seen here recently.With 16,000 members on a board that has been around for 5 years why would a new member think they could possibly say something that hasn't been said before? My .02 cents worth from a cranky, disgruntled member that has seen the quality of what used to be an outstanding board decline.
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#828943 - 02/08/07 03:57 PM Re: Is it less civil on BITOG, or is it just me? [Re: farrarfan1]
Stooge Offline


Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 272
Loc: Ellicott City, MD
Yes - many know-it-alls here and they are happy to tell you that!

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#828944 - 02/08/07 04:01 PM Re: Is it less civil on BITOG, or is it just me? [Re: Stooge]
css9450 Offline


Registered: 01/03/04
Posts: 1724
Loc: Glen Ellyn, IL
Its not just here, its on all the automotive forums I visit. Rudeness and fighting are the norm these days.

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#828945 - 02/08/07 05:01 PM Re: Is it less civil on BITOG, or is it just me? [Re: css9450]
mazduh30 Offline


Registered: 02/19/06
Posts: 306
Loc: BC Canada
I take all the "rude" comments like a grain of salt. Now, you must admit some of them are pretty funny. If reading these E-mail responses hurt your feelings, or get you emotionally upset...maybe it is time to turn the computer off and take time in the real world...take a walk, go fishing, etc.. The problem with the computer is...no interaction with a physical being, no emotions, no verbal/nonverbal communication, getting "sucked-in", etc. That is my 2 cents worth. Hope you all have a great day and find the "oil" mother lode.

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#828946 - 02/08/07 06:04 PM Re: Is it less civil on BITOG, or is it just me? [Re: mazduh30]
LouDawg Offline


Registered: 04/01/06
Posts: 1483
Loc: SW Indiana
Well I came here to learn, and I think I have...some. But I'm not anywhere close to an expert...never will be. But regardless of one's knowledge level, there's always room for grace, dignity, and civility. Cynicism and derision just make it a less enjoyable experience for everyone.

I can go do something else, and I often do. But when I do visit, it'd be nice to not have to read all the bickering.
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#828947 - 02/08/07 06:05 PM Re: Is it less civil on BITOG, or is it just me? [Re: mazduh30]
9296D21B14 Offline


Registered: 01/20/05
Posts: 387
Loc: Louisiana
The old automotive derived adage "Be sure brain is in gear before putting keyboard in motion" may apply here. Also, another favorite, "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics..." Overall still nowhere near as bad on many make/model specific boards I've visited. As long as No R/S/P is enforced and the language sensor works I don't see that much of a problem. I respect and pay attention more to those posters who are able to be civil.

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#828948 - 02/08/07 06:33 PM Re: Is it less civil on BITOG, or is it just me? [Re: 9296D21B14]
Mr_Incredible Offline


Registered: 01/02/07
Posts: 1388
Loc: Nebraska
My apologies right off the bat if I've been too obviously a newb. Every time you walk into a new group of people, it's like the first day of school.

I've learned a great deal here and I thank you all for sharing your experiences. Though I've been around long enough to know a few things, some of what I knew wasn't up to date. I was set right, here.

But an exchange of ideas can get exciting when the chase is joined. It's not that we're trying to be rude, it's just that politeness is not Job #1 when typing as fast as you can to get the thought out before it evaporates.

I'm glad to be here, and I wish you all Happy Friday!
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#828949 - 02/08/07 06:52 PM Re: Is it less civil on BITOG, or is it just me? [Re: farrarfan1]
JohnnyO Offline


Registered: 09/26/03
Posts: 2490
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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How many Havoline vs GTX or Pennzoil vs Valvoline topics have to be posted before someone stops asking questions that can't be answered? We have posters that want to be taken seriously when they ask which oil to run in their BMW but they type like a 12 year old girl sending her boyfriend an instant message.



It's gone downhill ever since we got mentioned in Hot Rod Magazine and more people found out about us.
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#828950 - 02/08/07 07:05 PM Re: Is it less civil on BITOG, or is it just me? [Re: farrarfan1]
Axe Man Offline


Registered: 10/17/05
Posts: 358
Loc: Highland, NY
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When I joined approximately 2.5 years ago it was because I genuinely was interested in the science of lubrication. I naively assumed that the board consisted primarily of people that worked in the field and had actual working knowledge about oil.Sadly that is not the case. Yes there are some genuine experts that are highly trained and some that are self taught that post.




This site has taught me to re-think my views of lubrication in general and I'm grateful for that. I have learned much and I now apply those principles. But this statement bugs me. I don't have a Piled High and Deep after my name, I only have 74 posts, and I'm not (yet) a site supporter. So if I interpret your statement correctly I have nothing to offer in the way of knowledge or experience? I read this site everyday. Yes, I've noticed lately a general decline in civility. IMHO the offenders should be dealt with on an individual basis. But to lump the "non-experts" as a reason for a site decline is just plain unfair.


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It has become increasingly frustrating to wade through the endless topics about which oil smells best and who makes Super Tech in order to find the ocassional piece of worthwhile information. How many Havoline vs GTX or Pennzoil vs Valvoline topics have to be posted before someone stops asking questions that can't be answered?




I have a better solution. Rather than fussing over repeat questions simply and gently ask the poster to do a search and see if that answers their question. And if it doesn't then you're welcome to post a follow up.


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We have posters that want to be taken seriously when they ask which oil to run in their BMW but they type like a 12 year old girl sending her boyfriend an instant message.




Agreed, can't stand trying read something that looks like gibberish. But again, not everyone has the same level of writing/reading skills.


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I believe way too many people overstep their ability by their attempts to "analyze" or "interpret" every UOA and give their recomendations.




Maybe. I have no opinion here.

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Auto Unions suggestion of a NOOB status is one of the best ideas I've seen here recently.




I think that's a terrible idea. I've seen sites run this way. If you ain't part of the "in crowd" you forever remain a noob.


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With 16,000 members on a board that has been around for 5 years why would a new member think they could possibly say something that hasn't been said before? My .02 cents worth from a cranky, disgruntled member that has seen the quality of what used to be an outstanding board decline.





I'm sorry Old Man, but this just smacks of snobbery to me. You honestly think that no new members can offer anything new to the site? If you do this site is doomed. A forum grows and prospers by the diversity of it's members. If the "establishment" feels that new members can't offer anything fresh or enlightening then why join up?

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#828951 - 02/08/07 07:21 PM Re: Is it less civil on BITOG, or is it just me? [Re: Axe Man]
michaelc80 Offline


Registered: 06/22/04
Posts: 1779
Loc: Central Iowa
I have to agree. I rarely post any longer, but do read a number of the posts. The constant bickering, rehashing the "domestic vs. import" argument and constant Pablo references to bodily functions and excrement get old real fast. It's a decidedly different place than it was 2-3 years ago.

Top that off with the lax moderation that allows anyone to get past the decency filters with misspelled words and it's clear that BITOG isn't what it used to be. As much as I'd like to avoid the posts that are offensive, it's hard to when a discussion starts with something simple and morphs into something entirely different.

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#828952 - 02/08/07 07:27 PM Re: Is it less civil on BITOG, or is it just me? [Re: michaelc80]
Pablo Offline


Registered: 10/28/02
Posts: 47100
Loc: Duvall WA - Pacific NW USA
Sorry. I'll cut back.

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