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#489358 - 07/14/06 12:06 AM Re: 4-stroke string trimmer..
JTK Offline

Registered: 08/14/03
Posts: 9900
Loc: Buffalo, NY
Originally posted by Jeepster_nut:
Honda uses a paddle of sorts that is connected to the crank that keeps the oil in a constant misted state. You can run it upside down and nothing will happen. I have tried it with mine on several occasions, and it still runs fine.

Same deal with the little MTD. The connecting rod has a slinger. It doesn't have a camshaft, it's a gear driven wheel of sorts that the pushrods ride on and are actuated by called a "cam bracket assembly". That gear also runs thru the oil, throwing oil to the top end. Supposedly the design is such that you can run the engine loaded in any position. Again, I'm not trying to go OT pushing a 4-cycle as best for this application. It's just nice to have a cleaner, smokeless alternative should you want it. [Patriot]


#489359 - 07/30/06 06:34 AM Re: 4-stroke string trimmer..
nomochevys Offline

Registered: 11/26/05
Posts: 394
Loc: Ky
I have had a shindiawa since 1999 and it has been flawless. Best starting 2 stroke anything that I have ever had. It cost a little more but its worth it imo. Cant say the same for my stihl blower.

#489360 - 08/01/06 03:56 AM Re: 4-stroke string trimmer..
NThomas Offline

Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 153
Loc: utah
If you want a 4stroke trimmer the only way to go is Honda. The Troybuilt is a Ryobi unit and are not very good. The Briggs is not the best either.

You can not buy 2 top of the line Stihl, Husky or Echo trimmers for the price of a Honda. Husky and Stihl make units that cost $1k. The 326L Husky sells at $329, the Stihl FS100 sells for about the same. For $315 you can get a Honda 25cc 4stroke.

Neither the Ryobi/Troybuilt or the Briggs will have the power of the 25cc Honda!

#489361 - 08/01/06 04:08 AM Re: 4-stroke string trimmer..
JTK Offline

Registered: 08/14/03
Posts: 9900
Loc: Buffalo, NY
Originally posted by NThomas:
If you want a 4stroke trimmer the only way to go is Honda...

NT- I agree that honda currently makes the best mini 4 stroker, but for light residential use the troy-bilt isn't bad for half the cost of a ~$325 honda trimmer. From what I've found, the $325 models are tough to find locally. Pretty much have to mail-order one unless you want to order thru a honda dealer.


#489362 - 08/01/06 07:31 PM Re: 4-stroke string trimmer..
NThomas Offline

Registered: 01/23/03
Posts: 153
Loc: utah
Lets see if you feel the same in 10 years.

I have found that most people spend a lot on trimmers. Not by buying an expensive unit, but buying them frequently. If you buy a good one there is no reason you shouldnt get 20-30 years out of it. Those cheap units generally last well under 10 years. The $325 trimmer isnt very expensive when you look at it like that.

#489363 - 10/17/06 10:28 PM Re: 4-stroke string trimmer.. [Re: NThomas]
Jim 5 Offline

Registered: 05/25/05
Posts: 4009
Loc: Calgary Canada
I've been on a small engine buying kick, recently having bought a stihl ms250 chain saw and a John Deere JX75 with the Kawasaki FJ180V engine.

I am really looking for an excuse to replace the cheapie homelite trimmer I bought in '97 when I bought my first house. I have my eyes on a nice Stihl trimmer, but I just can't justify it since that homelite works so well. When I bought it, I viewed it as a throwaway, but a better alternative than an electric trimmer. Who would have known it would last so long?

In the mean time, I'm going to have to get my kicks buying a stihl leaf blower for winter light snow removal duty.
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#489364 - 10/23/06 02:47 AM Re: 4-stroke string trimmer.. [Re: NThomas]
Mystic Offline

Registered: 03/05/03
Posts: 8467
Loc: Colorado
An electrical string trimmer works okay for trimming around the grass and stuff like that. For cutting large areas of weeds, you can't beat a four-stroke gasoline engine weed trimmer. It is worth the money. It makes short work of large areas of weeds.

#489365 - 10/29/06 07:58 PM Re: 4-stroke string trimmer.. [Re: Mystic]
JTK Offline

Registered: 08/14/03
Posts: 9900
Loc: Buffalo, NY
A little follow up: I've only got a few months and maybe 5-6hrs use on this micro OHV 4-stroker. Bads: It is heavy and vibrates just like your typical cheapy 2-stroke trimmer. Commerical useage would be difficult.

Goods: It is powerful, starts easily, no worries of pre-mix and does not produce the gas/oil stink of a 2 cycle.

MTD does seem to be continuously improving these little babies as there is already an 'improved' engine out.

Again, this was not an expensive trimmer. My expectations are quite low!

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#489366 - 11/09/06 06:14 PM Re: 4-stroke string trimmer.. [Re: JTK]
lobo11 Offline

Registered: 04/06/04
Posts: 702
Loc: Midland, MI
Popular Mechanics Magazine had a Honda 4 stroke, and a Shindaiwa (I think) 2/4 hybrid that they rated against other trimmers. They broke trimmers down by professional, near professional, and homeowner. A nice article. If I recall they preferred the mid-range 2-cycles to the top of the line 4 cycle units becasue of weight and initial cost. usually PM's website is easy to navigate for old articles if interested, I think it was spring of this year. I enjoy PM's reviews as they really seem to give their tested equipment real life workouts in real life conditions.

#489367 - 11/09/06 07:23 PM Re: 4-stroke string trimmer.. [Re: lobo11]
Cujet Offline

Registered: 02/15/03
Posts: 6363
Loc: Jupiter, Florida
I find the the type of vibration the 4 stroke units (that I have tried) produce gets very annoying after a while. Having used only a ryobi and troy built 4 stroke trimmer and compared them to me Echo.

Also the weight difference is incredible after about an hour.

Turbo's rule.

#489368 - 11/10/06 02:34 PM Re: 4-stroke string trimmer.. [Re: Cujet]
tdi-rick Offline

Registered: 02/02/04
Posts: 1845
Loc: the antipodes
used to use a couple of pro Stihls, and now have an OHC Honda and love the little Honda. Top end power not as good as the Stihl (smaller engine) but much better torque down low and much quieter and no tuning needed. Also much easier than the big Stihl's for the other half to use
FWIW, Honda are comparable model for model here $ wise against Stihl and Husky.
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#489369 - 07/17/07 05:08 AM Re: 4-stroke string trimmer.. [Re: NThomas]
JTK Offline

Registered: 08/14/03
Posts: 9900
Loc: Buffalo, NY
Well guys, a little 'year later' update for you. The troy-bilt 4-stroke trimmer is no longer. I should have asked before I bought it last year! I took it back to Lowes and exchanged it for another make/model. Each time I used the Troy-Bilt trimmer, the more I disliked it. I hated the 'quick change' string head, where you force feed a pre-cut pc of line in there, I hated the direct-drive (no centrifugal clutch) 'feature', the weight and vibration were a bear and the unit was a pita to start. I think most of the starting difficulty was my doing though. If the unit was not stored properly, engine oil would seep from the sump into the combustion chamber, soak the sparkplug and load the muffler. This lead to hard starting and a HUGE blue cloud. It also had this weird zip start clock spring type of recoil start. I go so fed up, I tossed it back in the box (had it up in my garage loft), grabbed the receipt and went back to Lowes. I thought they would give me more of a hassle since their OPE return policy is 30 days. Almost 13mo later and they didn't even bat an eye! The woman commented she was surprised I still had the receipt. They were so good about it, I figured I buy another trimmer from them. I went with a Husqvarna 125L. I used it for about 30min today. Very nice. Smooth, powerful, real snappy throttle response and LIGHT! I love the clutch and ease of starting. I didn't notice any smoke or smelly exhaust from it either @ 50:1. From reading the literature, I discovered it has a catalytic converter buit into the muffler. No idea these were on 2-strokes. The Husqvarna was $199 as opposed to the ~$150 troy-bilt. No more 4-stroke trimmers for me unless it's a Honda or better. Live and learn!

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#489370 - 07/17/07 05:33 AM Re: 4-stroke string trimmer.. [Re: JTK]
Travis99LS1 Offline

Registered: 07/13/07
Posts: 312
Loc: NC
thats cool man..We have a Husqvarna back pack blower...We've only had it maybe 2 years or so..but even after sitting all winter, it will start on the 1st or 2nd pull..It has a kawasaki motor on it i believe..i'm sure your string trimmer will run as good as our blower..they seem to be really well built
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#489371 - 07/17/07 05:39 AM Re: 4-stroke string trimmer.. [Re: JTK]
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Registered: 08/08/04
Posts: 305
Loc: Placerville, CA
That's good to know that Lowes has good customer service! That Husqvarna should give you years of service. So how does the weight of your new trimmer compare to the one you just exchanged?
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#489372 - 07/17/07 05:48 AM Re: 4-stroke string trimmer.. [Re: carlprop]
JTK Offline

Registered: 08/14/03
Posts: 9900
Loc: Buffalo, NY
Carl, the Husqvarna is spec'd at 10lbs as opposed to 13.5lbs for the TB. The Husky seems better balanced as well. I didn't get nearly the arm fatigue from it as I would from the TB. The bump/advance string head is also way better on the Husky. That quick load job was horrible on the TB.

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