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#2769230 - 10/10/12 10:13 PM Mazda's new propriety 0W-20 GF-5 with Moly
ALS Offline


Registered: 05/28/03
Posts: 1862
Loc: Pittsburgh
I thought you guys may want to read up on
Genuine Mazda 0W-20 GF-5 with Moly - Synthetic Engine Oil

Wayne Gerdes got some specs on this fuel saving oil from Mazda.

Viscosity 0W20

Kinematic Viscosity at 40 degrees C (cSt) 35.0

Kinematic Viscosity at 100 degrees C (cSt) 8.3

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#2769268 - 10/10/12 10:50 PM Re: Mazda's new propriety 0W-20 GF-5 with Moly [Re: ALS]
vossman Offline


Registered: 10/13/05
Posts: 32
Loc: Oklahoma City
Thin compared to most 0w-20s. I'd bet it's excellent oil.

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#2769469 - 10/11/12 06:42 AM Re: Mazda's new propriety 0W-20 GF-5 with Moly [Re: ALS]
Hokiefyd Offline


Registered: 06/24/04
Posts: 14488
Loc: Top of Virginia
If those kinematic viscosities are correct, it has a viscosity index of 225. Wow.

Wonder how much moly is in the finished product.
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#2769522 - 10/11/12 07:54 AM Re: Mazda's new propriety 0W-20 GF-5 with Moly [Re: ALS]
cp3 Offline


Registered: 07/26/06
Posts: 2645
Loc: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
Interesting indeed. Thanx.

I wonder if this is going to be Mazda only or just Idemitsu's reformulated SN.
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#2769656 - 10/11/12 10:51 AM Re: Mazda's new propriety 0W-20 GF-5 with Moly [Re: ALS]
CATERHAM Offline


Registered: 11/18/05
Posts: 10133
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Thanks for letting us know.

Yes that translates into a 225 VI which compares favourably with the Toyota 0W-20 (KV40 37.39cSt, 216 VI) and is an improvement on the SM GF-4 Idemitsu high moly oil with it's VI of "only" 197. I've used both oils and the SM Idemitsu oil is much heavier on start-up to the Toyota product.
Hopefully all the current users of the Idemitsu 0W-20; namely, Subaru, Mitsubushi and Honda/Acura Canada will start getting the new SN high moly, high VI oil.

The other NA high VI 0W-20's are SynGard (VI 220) and the lightest 0W-20, Sustina (KV40 32.69cSt, VI 229).
It should be noted that it's great to have a high virgin VI but what counts is how much of that high VI is retained in service.
The VIs of the Toyota and Idemitsu oils do drop about 10% in service. The premium priced Sustina does not.
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86 Porsche 928S, TGMO 0W-20 25% / M1 0W-40 75%
96 BMW 328i, Idemitsu/TGMO 0W-20 70% / M1 0W-40 30%
94 Caterham 7, FUCHS 0W-20

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#2769779 - 10/11/12 01:34 PM Re: Mazda's new propriety 0W-20 GF-5 with Moly [Re: ALS]
KCJeep Offline


Registered: 06/30/11
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Just how much moly could one expect to be in this anyway?
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#2769782 - 10/11/12 01:38 PM Re: Mazda's new propriety 0W-20 GF-5 with Moly [Re: ALS]
Indydriver Offline


Registered: 03/20/11
Posts: 1627
Loc: Indiana
I called my local dealer to get a price on a case. He confirmed that list is $7.95/qt and when I asked for a case discount quickly offered $6.76 but would go no lower. He had none in stock as they buy theirs in bulk.
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#2769797 - 10/11/12 01:51 PM Re: Mazda's new propriety 0W-20 GF-5 with Moly [Re: KCJeep]
CATERHAM Offline


Registered: 11/18/05
Posts: 10133
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
Just how much moly could one expect to be in this anyway?

If the SM 0W-20 Idemitsu oil is anything to go by it's close to 600 ppm.
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96 BMW 328i, Idemitsu/TGMO 0W-20 70% / M1 0W-40 30%
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#2770728 - 10/12/12 02:09 PM Re: Mazda's new propriety 0W-20 GF-5 with Moly [Re: ALS]
Indydriver Offline


Registered: 03/20/11
Posts: 1627
Loc: Indiana
Hold the presses....

The Mazda oil's 40C visc is 38.87 not 35 so perhaps Toyota is still the VI champ. Definitely lighter than M1 but apparently not Toyota. the 100C visc is 8.3. I am trying to get their claimed VI.
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#2770963 - 10/12/12 06:22 PM Re: Mazda's new propriety 0W-20 GF-5 with Moly [Re: Indydriver]
CATERHAM Offline


Registered: 11/18/05
Posts: 10133
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
If that's the case then the VI is 197, exactly the same as the most recent GF-4 high moly oil.
BTW, how did to find out the KV40 was really 38.87cSt?

The real VI champ is not TGMO at 216 but Sustina at 229; unfortunately it's almost twice the price.
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86 Porsche 928S, TGMO 0W-20 25% / M1 0W-40 75%
96 BMW 328i, Idemitsu/TGMO 0W-20 70% / M1 0W-40 30%
94 Caterham 7, FUCHS 0W-20

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#2770986 - 10/12/12 06:56 PM Re: Mazda's new propriety 0W-20 GF-5 with Moly [Re: ALS]
bluesubie Offline


Registered: 08/04/03
Posts: 2127
Loc: NJ
I can't imagine the moly being very high since Idemitsu is reducing moly for GF5.

-Dennis
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#2771007 - 10/12/12 07:15 PM Re: Mazda's new propriety 0W-20 GF-5 with Moly [Re: bluesubie]
CATERHAM Offline


Registered: 11/18/05
Posts: 10133
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: bluesubie
I can't imagine the moly being very high since Idemitsu is reducing moly for GF5.
-Dennis

The GF-5 version that Subaru use is a totally different formulation; only has a 169 VI and no moly.

The new GF-5 Mazda oil sounds like the Idemitsu SM GF-4 0W-20 oil that's still being supplied to Mitsubishi and Honda/Acura Canada that been upgraded to GF-5. The GF-4 oil has 600 ppm of moly. I can't see why they would splash "Moly" on the label unless it also contained a boatload of the stuff.
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74 Lotus Europa, 5W-50
86 Porsche 928S, TGMO 0W-20 25% / M1 0W-40 75%
96 BMW 328i, Idemitsu/TGMO 0W-20 70% / M1 0W-40 30%
94 Caterham 7, FUCHS 0W-20

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#2771015 - 10/12/12 07:23 PM Re: Mazda's new propriety 0W-20 GF-5 with Moly [Re: ALS]
superchargedx Offline


Registered: 01/02/10
Posts: 20
Loc: Toronto, Canada
Hey Everyone,

I am a tech at a Canadian Mazda dealership and was unaware of the apparent quality of this oil..... This leaving me with a few questions.....

- Is this oil made by Petro Canada? Is this the same oil US vs Canada?

- As I have stated before, I have become a rather avid Pennzoil Platinum user... any recommendations on which is better for my application (2006 Ford Escape V6 4x4)

- My Ford Escape V6 3.0l 4x4 recommends 5w20..... If I am using synthetic, is 0w20 safe for this vehicle (especially for winter)? Any UOA's on this topic?

Thanks Everyone for any info smile

Sean
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2002 Mazda Protege5 2.0l - Pennzoil Platinum 5w30

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#2771048 - 10/12/12 07:56 PM Re: Mazda's new propriety 0W-20 GF-5 with Moly [Re: superchargedx]
CATERHAM Offline


Registered: 11/18/05
Posts: 10133
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Hi Sean,

Mazda Canada uses the Petro-Canada 0W-20 oil. A decent oil but not the Idemitsu made high VI, high moly stuff we're discussing here.
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74 Lotus Europa, 5W-50
86 Porsche 928S, TGMO 0W-20 25% / M1 0W-40 75%
96 BMW 328i, Idemitsu/TGMO 0W-20 70% / M1 0W-40 30%
94 Caterham 7, FUCHS 0W-20

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#2771055 - 10/12/12 08:02 PM Re: Mazda's new propriety 0W-20 GF-5 with Moly [Re: superchargedx]
CATERHAM Offline


Registered: 11/18/05
Posts: 10133
Loc: Burlington, Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: superchargedx

- My Ford Escape V6 3.0l 4x4 recommends 5w20..... If I am using synthetic, is 0w20 safe for this vehicle (especially for winter)?

Yes you can use a 0W-20 (they're all synthetic in Canada) without issue.

The best 20wt oil deal in Canada is the Mobil made Toyota 0W-20 at $5.70/L. There simply isn't anything better at twice the price.
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74 Lotus Europa, 5W-50
86 Porsche 928S, TGMO 0W-20 25% / M1 0W-40 75%
96 BMW 328i, Idemitsu/TGMO 0W-20 70% / M1 0W-40 30%
94 Caterham 7, FUCHS 0W-20

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