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0W20 M1 AFE vs 0W20 Toyota synthetic? #2551589 02/28/12 05:54 PM
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Toyota/Lexus 4.6L V8

The owner's manual calls for 5W-20 or 0W-20 but I want to use the latter.

How does M1 0W-20 AFE stack up against the factory Toyota full-synthetic 0W-20?

Oil cost and warranty aren't part of the picture, I just want the highest quality oil that offers the best protection, especially for cold winter starts. Max OCI will be 6k miles.


Thanks smile

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CATERHAM has done the footwork (or email work as the case may be) and confirmed with Toyota Canada that the CURRENT formula 0w20 in Canada is made by Mobil to Toyota specs (i.e. it's NOT Mobil 1 0w20 in a Toyota bottle - it's a specific formula that Toyota asked for (high moly, high VI etc.). He had also confirmed that the PREVIOUS version of the 0w20 was made by Eneos.

As for the 5w30 - I don't think anyone has done the research as CATERHAM did for the 0w20, so it's up for debate as to who makes it

P.S> This was found on another post here and recopied for you. From 9/2010


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Re: 0W20 M1 AFE vs 0W20 Toyota synthetic? [Re: ringmaster] #2551594 02/28/12 06:02 PM
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The two oils were compared here:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2409119&page=4

They're both high quality oils made by XOM.
In Canada the Toyota oil half the price of M1.


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Re: 0W20 M1 AFE vs 0W20 Toyota synthetic? [Re: Topo] #2551607 02/28/12 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted By: Topo
CATERHAM has done the footwork (or email work as the case may be) and confirmed with Toyota Canada that the CURRENT formula 0w20 in Canada is made by Mobil to Toyota specs (i.e. it's NOT Mobil 1 0w20 in a Toyota bottle - it's a specific formula that Toyota asked for (high moly, high VI etc.). He had also confirmed that the PREVIOUS version of the 0w20 was made by Eneos.

As for the 5w30 - I don't think anyone has done the research as CATERHAM did for the 0w20, so it's up for debate as to who makes it

P.S> This was found on another post here and recopied for you. From 9/2010

CATERHAM is the 0w20 oil guru.

Re: 0W20 M1 AFE vs 0W20 Toyota synthetic? [Re: CATERHAM] #2551608 02/28/12 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
The two oils were compared here:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2409119&page=4

They're both high quality oils made by XOM.
In Canada the Toyota oil half the price of M1.


Thanks - I knew that you would know smile

Maybe I will mix the two 50/50...seriously! The M1's low MRV really appeals to me but if the Toyota oil is higher in moly I don't want to miss out on the benefits.

Re: 0W20 M1 AFE vs 0W20 Toyota synthetic? [Re: ringmaster] #2551710 02/28/12 08:09 PM
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M1 AFE handles extreme temperatures better. Severe cold/hot. It's most likely a blend of Group III+, PAO, AN and POE.

The Toyota oil is the lightest PCMO on the market and is designed for maximum fuel economy. Most likely a Group III and comparable to other Group III synthetics- PP/Mobil Super/QS....


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Re: 0W20 M1 AFE vs 0W20 Toyota synthetic? [Re: buster] #2552132 02/29/12 08:55 AM
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The M1 0W20 is said to have a better" MRV at low temperatures. Temperatures that most will never experience. It's doubtful that it handles extreme hot temeratures any better than the Toyota 0W20. More opinion than fact. So's the speculation on
the M1 AFE formulation. For all we know, the Toyota 0W20 is also a blend of Group III+. PAO, AN, and POE.

We do know the Toyota is MUCH lighter on start-up and at 0C (32F).

Re: 0W20 M1 AFE vs 0W20 Toyota synthetic? [Re: CMMeadAM] #2552206 02/29/12 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted By: CMMeadAM
The M1 0W20 is said to have a better" MRV at low temperatures. Temperatures that most will never experience. It's doubtful that it handles extreme hot temeratures any better than the Toyota 0W20. More opinion than fact. So's the speculation on
the M1 AFE formulation. For all we know, the Toyota 0W20 is also a blend of Group III+. PAO, AN, and POE.

We do know the Toyota is MUCH lighter on start-up and at 0C (32F).

I can believe the argument that M1 may have a edge on extreme temperature. most reading i got say the Toyota 0w20 (and Honda 0w20 include Canadian version) are group III. M1 AFE 0w20, likely PAO, I recall may reading that AFE 0w20 was the same formula of beloved M1 original 0w20, it was the time when M1 was still using "square" type jug and 5w30 are mostly agreed to be PAO based hide .

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Originally Posted By: spock1
Originally Posted By: Topo
CATERHAM has done the footwork (or email work as the case may be) and confirmed with Toyota Canada that the CURRENT formula 0w20 in Canada is made by Mobil to Toyota specs (i.e. it's NOT Mobil 1 0w20 in a Toyota bottle - it's a specific formula that Toyota asked for (high moly, high VI etc.). He had also confirmed that the PREVIOUS version of the 0w20 was made by Eneos.

As for the 5w30 - I don't think anyone has done the research as CATERHAM did for the 0w20, so it's up for debate as to who makes it

P.S> This was found on another post here and recopied for you. From 9/2010

CATERHAM is the 0w20 oil guru.

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Re: 0W20 M1 AFE vs 0W20 Toyota synthetic? [Re: ringmaster] #2552244 02/29/12 10:51 AM
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They're both great oils and while it is purely speculation, if you ran both through the SeqIIIG, TEOST tests you would see where they differ. However, those tests are extreme. My. 02.


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Re: 0W20 M1 AFE vs 0W20 Toyota synthetic? [Re: buster] #2552252 02/29/12 11:12 AM
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They would both more than likely do just fine in the SeqIII G with Toyota's 0W20 maintaining it's significant edge at all start-ups and temps down to about -20F.

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Since XM makes the Toyota oil I doubt that they would produce an oil for Toyota to be superior to their flagship oil, M1. IMHO


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Originally Posted By: tig1
Since XM makes the Toyota oil I doubt that they would produce an oil for Toyota to be superior to their flagship oil, M1. IMHO


Agree. The Mobil 1 0w20 has the high temp performance of the EP line. It's most likely superior to the Toyota oil in high temps.

The Toyota 0w20 is great, but it's designed to be the lightest oil on the market for max fuel economy. Does not meet ACEA-08 specs or GM4718M.


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Re: 0W20 M1 AFE vs 0W20 Toyota synthetic? [Re: buster] #2552334 02/29/12 12:28 PM
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Since XM makes the Toyota oil I doubt that they would produce an oil for Toyota to be superior to their flagship oil, M1. IMHO


Agree. The Mobil 1 0w20 has the high temp performance of the EP line. It's most likely superior to the Toyota oil in high temps.

The Toyota 0w20 is great, but it's designed to be the lightest oil on the market for max fuel economy. Does not meet ACEA-08 specs or GM4718M.


Again, more speculation--based on no real information...

How do you know it doesn't meet the GM spec? And can you name a single other OEM oil which publishes that it meets the specs of another manufacturer? Of course they aren't going to publish that it meets GM specs, or pay for the testing.

As far as the ACEA 08 spec, of course it doesn't meet it, nor does M10W20. They're both thinner than the 2.9 hths requirement--but I don't really see the relevance?

I also don't get why people would assume that M1 wouldn't make a "better" oil on contract. There are a lot of competing demands when formulating an oil, price and margin being a major consideration. It wouldn't surprise me at a if the Toyota product were a more expensive to produce, lower margin oil. Toyota's in the business of selling cars, XOM is in the business of selling oil. I think some folk's slavish devotion to a brand name seems to color their judgement.

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Originally Posted By: gogozy

I can believe the argument that M1 may have a edge on extreme temperature. most reading i got say the Toyota 0w20 (and Honda 0w20 include Canadian version) are group III. M1 AFE 0w20, likely PAO, I recall may reading that AFE 0w20 was the same formula of beloved M1 original 0w20, it was the time when M1 was still using "square" type jug and 5w30 are mostly agreed to be PAO based hide .


Not to pick on your post specifically, but there seems to be a lot of the word I've bolded/italicized and underlined above, when it comes to exactly what M1 0w20 is.

When someone has definite PROOF that M1 is PAO and Toyota is not, then a proper comparison of the two oils can be made.

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