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#2404898 - 10/13/11 12:38 PM VOA MMO?
71Chevyguy Offline


Registered: 07/10/11
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Loc: Martinsburg West Virginia
Has anyone ever done an analysis on MMO? I thought I had seen it here but have had no luck finding it again. Any help would be appreciated.
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#2405007 - 10/13/11 02:26 PM Re: VOA MMO? [Re: 71Chevyguy]
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I think the MSDS spells out it's base contents pretty plainly. As for metallic additives, I don't think I've ever seen one. Anyway, I think you probably saw the MSDS and not a VOA.

Edit (stolen):

Sea Foam MSDS says:

Pale Oil 40-60%
Naphtha 25-35%
IPA 10-20%

I assume IPA is Isopropyl Alcohol. But with the amount of ethanol in gasoline (10+%), is there a need for IPA? IPA may have a different length carbon chain than Ethanol and may be there to bond with any water in the tank.


MMO MSDS says:

Naphthenic Hydrocarbons 70-80%
Mineral Spirits 20-30%
Chlorinated Hydrocarbons 0-1%


It seems possible that the Chlorinated Hydrocarbons could turn into HCl when in contact with heat and water in the engine, so CH can be eliminated. Unless you want to add it to help deplete the motor oil's ad pack.


Edited by bepperb (10/13/11 02:27 PM)
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#2405016 - 10/13/11 02:43 PM Re: VOA MMO? [Re: 71Chevyguy]
71Chevyguy Offline


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Thanks for the quick reply!
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#2405069 - 10/13/11 03:34 PM Re: VOA MMO? [Re: 71Chevyguy]
demarpaint Offline


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This has been posted before:

I borrowed this from another thread, I've pasted this into a few threads before HTH.

70% Light Aromatic Oil (Pale Oil)
- It is a Naphthenic Oil, so while it oxidizes faster than a Paraffinic oil, it does clean and dissolve sludge and carbon well and cleans up after itself from any oxidation. serves as base oil as well. [Naphthenic oils have more solvency and are more polar (they are attracted to metal more), but oxidize faster.

29% Mineral Spirits
- Cleans Varnish very well. General cleaner. Also acts as an antioxidant.

38 parts per million (ppm) Boron
- AW/EP agent, friction reducer, antioxidant

900 ppm Phosporous
- AW/EP agent

1/2% 1, 2 ortho-Dichlorobenzene
- EP agent as it interacts with Iron to form an Iron chloride barrier under any ZDDP or other AW additives. Also very good cleaner/solvent, and friction reducer

1/4% 1, 4 para-Dichlorobenzene
- EP agent as it interacts with Iron to form an Iron chloride barrier under any ZDDP or other AW additives. Also very good cleaner/solvent, and friction reducer

Oil of wintergreen - for the scent
- Not just for the cent, is also a cleaner. may aid lubricity.

Red Dye - for the color
- well this one just colors the stuff
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#2405171 - 10/13/11 05:40 PM Re: VOA MMO? [Re: 71Chevyguy]
jona20062000 Offline


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http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g35/bobistheoilguy/BlackstoneMarvelMysteryOilReport.jpg


Can someone who is more computer savvy post this not as a link?
Thank you.

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#2405176 - 10/13/11 05:46 PM Re: VOA MMO? [Re: jona20062000]
OVERKILL Offline


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Originally Posted By: jona20062000
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g35/bobistheoilguy/BlackstoneMarvelMysteryOilReport.jpg


Can someone who is more computer savvy post this not as a link?
Thank you.


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#2442079 - 11/22/11 06:23 PM Re: VOA MMO? [Re: 71Chevyguy]
Robenstein Offline


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Rarely do I trust Blackstone. Their numbers on ad packs tend to trend lower.
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#2442447 - 11/23/11 04:00 AM Re: VOA MMO? [Re: Robenstein]
OilGuy2 Offline


Registered: 10/13/09
Posts: 81
Loc: Massachusetts
Originally Posted By: Robenstein
Rarely do I trust Blackstone. Their numbers on ad packs tend to trend lower.


Agree to that. Other labs show additional components.

Oil of Wintergreen, or Methyl Salicylate, is an organic ester oil that has an affinity to metal. It definitely boosts lubricity and is in sufficient quantity to overcome the odor of the 29% mineral spirits. It is not there just for its smell. A small quantity of ester oil along with a small quantity of molybdenum disulphide in the lubricating oil, appear to reduce friction and assist in a measurable improvement in fuel mileage. However, once friction is reduced, adding more of each will have no effect on a further reduction in friction.

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#2445671 - 11/26/11 10:09 PM Re: VOA MMO? [Re: 71Chevyguy]
MolaKule Offline


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Here's my put on MMO's MSDS:

70% Light Aromatic Oil (Pale Oil)

Serves mostly as base oil.


29% Mineral Spirits

General cleaner and solvent.


38 parts per million (ppm) Boron

Mild AW/EP agent, friction reducer


900 ppm Phosporous

AW/EP agent


1/2% 1, 2 ortho-Dichlorobenzene

A very good cleaner/solvent for varnish.


1/4% 1, 4 para-Dichlorobenzene

A very good cleaner/solvent for varnish.


Oil of wintergreen - for the scent

Oil of Wintergreen is in there solely for the SCENT to mask solvent smell. Not enough in there to aid lubricity.


Red Dye - for the color
- well this one just colors the stuff

For Sure.


Edited by MolaKule (11/26/11 10:14 PM)
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#2445730 - 11/26/11 11:05 PM Re: VOA MMO? [Re: 71Chevyguy]
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^Nice take on the MSDS, thank you! thumbsup
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#2446170 - 11/27/11 01:32 PM Re: VOA MMO? [Re: 71Chevyguy]
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Excellent description, thank you Mola.
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#2447720 - 11/28/11 09:49 PM Re: VOA MMO? [Re: 71Chevyguy]
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So, based on the MSDS can we infer how effective it is at what the claimed benefits are?
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#2448601 - 11/29/11 07:36 PM Re: VOA MMO? [Re: 71Chevyguy]
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
Posts: 17456
Loc: Iowegia - USA
Quote:
So, based on the MSDS can we infer how effective it is at what the claimed benefits are?


From any MSDS you can't infer much, since there may be traces of compounds not reported.

I think it is a cleaner with some AW and friction modifiers.

As far as claimed benefits or effectiveness, you have to take their word for it or look at public testimonials, or use it yourself, and then decide the costs verses any perceived benefits.

As I have questioned many times, in the context of motor oil additives, what chemical compound do you think we formulators have purposely left out of fully formulated motor oils, to require you to buy OTC or third party additives? ???


Edited by MolaKule (11/29/11 07:39 PM)
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#2448608 - 11/29/11 07:46 PM Re: VOA MMO? [Re: MolaKule]
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Registered: 03/23/09
Posts: 2956
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Quote:
So, based on the MSDS can we infer how effective it is at what the claimed benefits are?


From any MSDS you can't infer much, since there may be traces of compounds not reported.

I think it is a cleaner with some AW and friction modifiers.

As far as claimed benefits or effectiveness, you have to take their word for it or look at public testimonials, or use it yourself, and then decide the costs verses any perceived benefits.

As I have questioned many times, in the context of motor oil additives, what chemical compound do you think we formulators have purposely left out of fully formulated motor oils, to require you to buy OTC or third party additives? ???


I was thinking more in terms of a fuel additive.
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#2448650 - 11/29/11 08:30 PM Re: VOA MMO? [Re: 71Chevyguy]
MolaKule Offline


Registered: 06/05/02
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Loc: Iowegia - USA

Quote:
I was thinking more in terms of a fuel additive.


Since it has chlorobenzenes and phosphorous, it may be an effective fuel system and injector cleaner.
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